Talk:dvacet dva

Declension

@Benwing2, @Solvyn: I was able to confirm that "dva" is declinable.

The forms like dvaadvacet (cs:dvaadvacet) seem more common or modern. Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 10:13, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

@Benwing2, @Solvyn:

At https://prirucka.ujc.cas.cz/en/?slovo=dvacet#bref2:

I read:

Skloňujeme jen jméno počítaného předmětu a část číslovkového výrazu (obvykle řád desítek a jednotek), zbytek ponecháváme nesklonný. Výraz před 365 lety můžeme také přečíst před tři sta šedesáti pěti (pětašedesáti) lety a obdobně bez 1 847 Kč –⁠⁠ bez tisíc osm set čtyřiceti sedmi (sedmačtyřiceti) korun; o 1 358 423 dokladech –⁠⁠ o milion tři sta padesát osm tisíc čtyři sta dvaceti třech (třiadvaceti) dokladech.

I think numerals need some extra attention with either good references or more involvement from native spakers. Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 04:40, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

@Atitarev Interesting; Janda and Townsend say this:

With numbers above 20 syntax is dependent upon whether the numeral is used in its non-compounded (dvacet tři ‘twenty-three’) or compounded (třiadvacet ‘twenty-three’) form. The prescribed norm for non-compounded numerals is to follow the syntactic pattern of the final digit, with singular for numerals ending in jeden ‘one’, plural for those ending in dva ‘two’, tři ‘three’, čtyři ‘four’, and genitive plural (neuter singular verbal agreement) for all others. In CCz, these numerals often follow the syntax of compounded numerals, which always use the genitive plural/neuter singular pattern. Here are some more sentences for comparison:

Dvacet jeden hoch byl tady/Jednadvacet hochů bylo tady.

‘Twenty-one boys were here’.

Dvacet dvě chytré holky byly tady/Dvaadvacet chytrých holek bylo tady.

‘Twenty-two smart girls were here’.

Dvacet pět nových studentů bylo tady/Pětadvacet nových studentů bylo tady.

‘Twenty-five new students were here’.

The compounded numerals are generally preferred in all contexts, and are strongly preferred in oblique cases, where Mluvili jsme o dvaadvaceti chytrých holkách "We talked about twenty-two smart girls" is much more likely to occur than the synonymous Mluvili jsme o dvaceti dvou chytrých holkách. Benwing2 (talk) 04:49, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

@Atitarev BTW I think they may be wrong about jeden here; native speakers say it has to be dvacet jedna with jedna indeclinable. Benwing2 (talk) 04:50, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

We don't even have inverted compounded numerals; they need to be entered. Benwing2 (talk) 04:52, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

@Benwing2: Thanks. The inverted compounded numerals would be easier, since the inflections are searchable in dictionaries - jednadvacet, dvaadvacet. Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 04:57, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

@Atitarev Yup, I will be working on fixing up Module:number list/data/cs so that I can enter the inverted compounded numerals and use {{number box}} appropriately. Benwing2 (talk) 05:15, 16 April 2023 (UTC)