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Two etymological points: (1) I really doubt the Old English is derived from the Italian, though of course the two are cognates. (2) I'm pretty sure that the "cheeky, impudent" meaning is actually derived from German frech, having been borrowed into American English by German immigrants; the homonymy with the "usual" word "fresh" is a coincidence. Angr 10:04, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

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"Very clean, and trendy looking (of garments, clothes, shoes, accessories)." I have heard of "fresh" meaning "cool, trendy", I think, e.g. "fresh" hip-hop beats. But clothes, and particularly clean ones? Equinox 20:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

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Rfv-sense: without salt. A freshwater fish comes from water without salt (granted) but I don't think fresh means "without salt" on its own, does it? Mglovesfun (talk) 21:38, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

The adjective is freshwater or fresh-water, but the noun is fresh waterMichael Z. 2010-03-09 23:04 z
Also, the first defn "not from storage" is clearly imprecise, but I can't think of a good way to word it. I might tag that one with {{rfc-sense}}. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:43, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
“recently made or prepared?” Michael Z. 2010-03-09 23:04 z
In Spanish, we talk about "fresh water" generally meaning water suitable for human consumption, may be also implying that's untreated, such as spring water. So this would not exclude just seawater, but also every kind of polluted water, such as algae-rich water. —This unsigned comment was added by Earnz (talkcontribs) at 18:05, 25 June 2010.
Yes, that sense should be removed, and add freshwater to related words. Diego Grez 20:46, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Odd, I would have thought this was in "clearly widespread use". It's true that fresh water is a set phrase, but google books:"the water was fresh" pulls up tons of hits where "fresh" is a predicative adjective meaning "(of water) Being freshwater." —RuakhTALK 20:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Cited. One of the cites is for "fresh water", because I don't want to deceive our readers — that is the most frequent use — but a glance at the aforementioned Google Books search results should convince you that this could easily be cited exclusively in predicate position. —RuakhTALK 20:49, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

RFV passed.RuakhTALK 04:11, 23 October 2010 (UTC)