Talk:ginggon
Latest comment: 1 year ago by Ysrael214 in topic Sources
Sources
[edit]@Ysrael214 Just wondering about your sources for this aside from Diksiyonaryo. Thanks! Mar vin kaiser (talk) 04:34, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Mar vin kaiser These.
- https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=zbowAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA144#v=onepage&q&f=false
- https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=vo3PAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA359&dq=guingon+ilocos&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiu8YKU9777AhVBUvUHHWciCCQQ6AF6BAgDEAI#v=onepage&q=guingon%20ilocos&f=false
- https://tel.archives-ouvertes.fr/tel-01126974/document
- https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=dLZLAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA500&dq=guing%C3%B3n+dungaree&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwivj8i79777AhUUPnAKHWOJCz0Q6AF6BAgFEAI#v=onepage&q=guing%C3%B3n%20dungaree&f=false
- (guingón) Ysrael214 (talk) 09:20, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Ysrael214: Is it possible that this word does not mean "dungaree", and just means "gingham" (the local version of the "dungaree")? --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 15:04, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Mar vin kaiser Gingham being a local version of dungaree isn't confirmed. Also visually, they look nothing alike aside from they're both fabrics. I think guingón is a native fabric in the Philippines and they just called it guingón. It's ambiguous. diksiyonaryo.ph refers to the dungaree more because of the Noli me Tangere context + Fransciscan blue attire (besides the brown). Then again gingham can also be colored blue but it's more of a striped fabric when I searched. Ysrael214 (talk) 15:10, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Ysrael214: Yeah, so that means it's more right to remove the "dungaree" definition, right? --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 15:42, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Mar vin kaiser What? I don't think so. I mean in diksiyonaryo.ph ginggon = dungaree because of the Noli me Tangere context where Jose Rizal said the habits of Franciscans are made of ginggon (blue coarse fabric), but habits aren't checkered like gingham is. Like for example, the Noli Me Tangere translation above says it's dungaree at (https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=dLZLAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA500&dq=guing%C3%B3n+dungaree&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwivj8i79777AhUUPnAKHWOJCz0Q6AF6BAgFEAI#v=onepage&q=guing%C3%B3n%20dungaree&f=false)
- Here's also something possibly ghostwritten by Marcos (because he doesn't write books afaik):
- https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=mgxbAAAAIAAJ&q=%22guingon%22+dungaree&dq=%22guingon%22+dungaree&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj2x_KulM37AhWa4jgGHajNDN0Q6AF6BAgLEAI
- https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=yn0bAAAAIAAJ&dq=%22guingon%22+dungaree&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=dungaree
- https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=mHF9EAAAQBAJ&pg=PT263&dq=%22guingon%22+blue&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjS-oydlc37AhVbyDgGHebZA-YQ6AF6BAgIEAI#v=onepage&q=%22guingon%22%20blue&f=false
- Book title is The Social Cancer but that's the English name of Noli Me tangere
- But in other sources it means gingham instead. Unless gingham can be uncheckered but I'm not sure, some fabrics have a specific pattern to them that calls them that. For example rayadillo fabric (as far as I know) will always be vertically striped.
- To conclude, not sure. Ysrael214 (talk) 01:04, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Ysrael214: How did you conclude that the definition in Diksiyonaryo.ph is referring to "dungarees"? Just to share, in the 1902 copy of Noli Me Tangere (purely in Spanish), it does provide a glossary definition of "guingón", which is "tela de algodón fabricada en la India" (cotton fabric made in India). --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 16:10, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Mar vin kaiser Yes, and dungaree is also from India. I got dungaree from the same link I've been tagging above of "Social Cancer" English translation. Ysrael214 (talk) 16:15, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Ysrael214: In that case, which sources actually identify the Tagalog "ginggon" with gingham? --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 13:59, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Mar vin kaiser Can't find a Tagalog one online that specifically says gingham yet and also gingham is a foreign word too like dungaree so that's kinda hard to tell unless it's English sources because they have other fabrics to compare with. Ysrael214 (talk) 14:08, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Ysrael214: In that case, which sources actually identify the Tagalog "ginggon" with gingham? --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 13:59, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Mar vin kaiser Yes, and dungaree is also from India. I got dungaree from the same link I've been tagging above of "Social Cancer" English translation. Ysrael214 (talk) 16:15, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Ysrael214: How did you conclude that the definition in Diksiyonaryo.ph is referring to "dungarees"? Just to share, in the 1902 copy of Noli Me Tangere (purely in Spanish), it does provide a glossary definition of "guingón", which is "tela de algodón fabricada en la India" (cotton fabric made in India). --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 16:10, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Ysrael214: Yeah, so that means it's more right to remove the "dungaree" definition, right? --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 15:42, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Mar vin kaiser Gingham being a local version of dungaree isn't confirmed. Also visually, they look nothing alike aside from they're both fabrics. I think guingón is a native fabric in the Philippines and they just called it guingón. It's ambiguous. diksiyonaryo.ph refers to the dungaree more because of the Noli me Tangere context + Fransciscan blue attire (besides the brown). Then again gingham can also be colored blue but it's more of a striped fabric when I searched. Ysrael214 (talk) 15:10, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Ysrael214: Is it possible that this word does not mean "dungaree", and just means "gingham" (the local version of the "dungaree")? --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 15:04, 26 November 2022 (UTC)