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etymology of ich-laut and ach-laut[edit]

Etymology says "German ich + Laut". Really? Not from German ich + English umlaut? (Similar question for ach-laut.)—msh210 20:26, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

But umlaut is directly and unchanged from German Umlaut, going in circles? ;) Mutante 20:34, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Furthermore, Umlaut and Ablaut refer to vowel mutation or roughly recapitulated, concern only vowels, whereas this here is a consonant. Laut seems more convincing. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 20:40, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
These were borrowed fully formed from German Ich-Laut and Ach-Laut. —Stephen 15:37, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Moreover, Laut just signifies sound (cf. English loud, with which it is a cognate), as in Lautschrift (“phonetic script/writing”).—Strabismus 23:01, 13 March 2009 (UTC)