# Talk:n

## Etymology[edit]

I'm not sure etymology is the correct word when talking about a letter. --Vladisdead 06:55, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

- How about "Ideogrammatic roots?" And should "any unknown value or thing" be a definition, or is that more or less just X. — Blade Hirato 07:26, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- I think that something along the lines of "any quantity or value; especially a natural number" is a good definition; this use is common colloquially among my peers. 174.0.89.56 23:15, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
- See below for discussion of algebraic use; definition as of 'any unknown value or quantity; especially a naturla number. It seems as if all the contributions on this page might be talking about the same thing, one or another of us needs to be bold. I guess we don't feel very confident about how this specific page should work? Kathybramley (talk) 11:13, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- But - hmm. It seems n is sample size, and yet there is the colloquial expression 'to the nth degree' which would suggest it stood for the variable. Is this in the scope of this page? This particular article/page, is it limited to the alphabetic letter, not to other uses. There's different kinds of maths usage; it's a rare roman numeral for zero, even, apparently! Take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N_%28disambiguation%29. And http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/n Kathybramley (talk) 11:28, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

- I think that something along the lines of "any quantity or value; especially a natural number" is a good definition; this use is common colloquially among my peers. 174.0.89.56 23:15, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

## n̩[edit]

Do we need an entry for n̩? 71.66.97.228 04:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

- It has it's own page! See here for ņ (with cedilla): https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%C5%86 - a page for this Latvian letter form; the whole Latvian set created by commission in 1908. "Prior to that, Latvian had been written in German Fraktur, and sporadically in Cyrillic." I found the via the Appendix on variations of n, link appears at the top of this article for n.https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Variations_of_%22n%22 Kathybramley (talk) 17:33, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

## Algebra and statistics[edit]

As a term, n is also a notation in Algebra. I don't understand it very well, or at least I wanted to confirm my understanding from having studied statistics a long while ago and being generally interested in maths and language; came here for reference! And was disappointed. It denotes the variable, doesn't it, in Maths and and statistical sciences. And the English expression 'to the Nth (degree, option, time of occurence etc)' also written 'to the nth', cf 'ad infinitum', 'to the extreme' or 'to the hilt'; this in etymology is derived from n (algebra and statistics) + the numerical place suffix th? Kathybramley (talk) 11:07, 18 November 2013 (UTC) The general as-if-statistical use I mentioned is recorded in the Oxford dictionary on-line: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/n but statistical use etc is about sample size. See WP disambig page linked above. I am not clear why there is the divergence; it's pretty confusing! Kathybramley (talk) 11:28, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

## RFV discussion: May–July 2015[edit]

**This entry has survived Wiktionary's verification process (permalink).**

Please do not re-nominate for verification without comprehensive reasons for doing so.

Please verify n#German. That looks wrong and retarded. Maybe cf. [www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/_n], [www.duden.de/sprachwissen/rechtschreibregeln/apostroph#K14]. -91.63.226.252 03:06, 13 March 2015

- I'm to lazy to attest this entry, but it's attestable: It does occur in books from the 21th century, i.e. after the German spelling reform of 1996 (2004, 2006, 2011). Example:
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- Und da Sex Sponsoren anzieht, würde so

- Also:
- While searching at zeno.org (which includes many older books, and also dialectical ones, though it sometimes has OCR errors) for "n", I've not encountered it without apostrophe (though I haven't looked at all results and zeno only showed some results anyway).
- Maybe the form without apostrophe can be considered a misspelling, but I'm don't know how that's handled here anyway.

- -91.63.226.252 = 93.196.241.177 10:07, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

- It looks like the OP withdrew the RFV (saying "it's attestable")? It is indeed attestable, and I've just added three more citations to the one above. One is in dialect, one is from a child's speech, two are ordinary German. - -sche (discuss) 19:44, 18 July 2015 (UTC)