Talk:psychiatric condition

RFD discussion: February–April 2022

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psychiatric condition

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Rfv-sense: mental disorder —Svārtava (t/u) • 02:01, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Isn't this easily cited using Google Scholar? — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 12:28, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@Fytcha: In all those quotes, wouldn't it be just SOP to psychiatric + condition (sense 5)? —Svārtava (t/u) • 13:00, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@Svartava: Isn't the SOP meaning ("A certain abnormal state of health […] of or related to [t]he branch of medicine that subjectively diagnoses, treats, and studies mental disorders and behavioural conditions.") the same as the one that's given as a gloss (mental disorder: "A behavioral or mental pattern that may cause suffering or a poor ability to function in life.")? — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 13:10, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@Fytcha: Sort of, but would you think it is sensible to include all such related synonyms like psychiatric disorder, psychiatric illness, mental condition, etc. which are almost always understandable by their parts? For one entry like mental disorder it might be just fine because of non-SOP translations it hosts but for all its SOP synonyms? —Svārtava (t/u) • 13:28, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@Svartava: That's a different question, one that would have to be settled at RFD, not RFV. I, for one, like to include "fossilized" SOPs that are part of the jargon of a certain domain (e.g. electrolytic capacitor) but I am not really qualified to judge whether that applies to the term at hand. Seeing however that it is much less common than the other ones you've presented, I'd be inclined to vote for deletion in an RFD. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 13:34, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

To expand on why I wrote fossilized: You can say both "a red car" as well as "a car that is red", but you can't say *“a capacitor that is electrolytic”, it has to be "an electrolytic capacitor". Same argument as for something like boon companion; they all feel fixed in a way. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 13:37, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Delete. —Svārtava (t/u) • 13:43, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

• RFD-deleted —Svārtava (t/u) • 11:54, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

  There was not enough participation for this nomination… By the way, I wonder how this one got dispatched so quickly, while many others that failed RFD remain in the list for so long. ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 16:15, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

  @Inqilābī: If you disagree with its deletion, feel free to have it reopened until it's archived. As for the quick dispatching, I asked User:Vininn126 to do that via Discord (and sometimes, I think clearing incoming links to a page also speeds the process up in case admins aren't very keen to do that, but OTOH sometimes they just leave it as it is and let the links stay red). —Svārtava (t/u) • 16:43, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

  For the record I'd vote keep on this. AG202 (talk) 17:23, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

  @AG202: What's you rationale for that, may I ask? —Svārtava (t/u) • 16:22, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

  @Svartava Similar reason that Fytcha gave that it feels kinda fixed, and with the others that you've mentioned I wouldn't be opposed to them either. AG202 (talk) 19:34, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

  @AG202: Fytcha wrote "Seeing however that it is much less common than the other ones you've presented, I'd be inclined to vote for deletion in an RFD." The fixed expression argument also leaves me unconvinced because "car that is magenta" being unattestable/not used should not pave way for an entry for "magenta car", should it? Also, would it really be preferable to include the other SOP examples I gave above? —Svārtava (t/u) • 01:12, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

  @Vininn126 @Svartava For the record, I am not reopening this RFD, I'm just stating that I would've voted to keep it. I do not care enough about this specific entry to contest its deletion. And yes I read the latter part of what Fytcha wrote, but still would vote to keep. And yes, until the collocation vote is complete and there's more clarity on entries, with entries that are on the fence like this, I'm slightly more on the side of having the information out there for the reader. Also, I would absolutely not support an entry for magenta car as that's not a fixed expression/saying. AG202 (talk) 23:22, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

  Delete. It's a strong collocation and it's fixed but that might not make a lemma in and of itself (though we do sometimes keep such things on the fried egg bases, however, I don't think it's needed here). Vininn126 (talk) 11:00, 10 April 2022 (UTC)