Talk:r rotunda

Latin noun

I’ve used Google Book Search to find uses of the hypothetical Latin *r rotunda: ⟨ ꝛ ⟩; I searched for every anisomorphic form thereof (viz. *r rotunda, *r rotundae, *r rotundārum, *r rotundīs, *r rotundam, and *r rotundās), but I couldn’t find any examples. I don’t think the Latin phrase is attestable. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 14:53, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Antonym

Is the antonym just "straight r"? google books:"straight r" "r rotunda" suggests that "straight r" does occur, but rarely; is another name more common? - -sche (discuss) 20:28, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

@-sche: I don't know, but Dutch seems to have r recta… — I.S.M.E.T.A. 20:50, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Hm, and possibly "r longa" (I notice from the second hit on that page), although interference from taxonomic names (and other things?) makes it hard to tell. Incidentally, I do find a Latin use:

• MDCCCXLI, Johannis Carlerii dicti De Gersono De laude scriptorum tractatus, page 18:

  Item hec littera r longa seu recta ubique poni potest scilicet in principiis dictionum in media et in fine et post omnes litteras exeptis sex litteris vel septem videlicet b. d. h. o. p. v. et y. post quas non debet poni r longa sed r rotunda.

- -sche (discuss) 21:01, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

@-sche: Oh, wow! Please post a link to that. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 21:05, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

google books:"Item hec littera r" turns up four copies: full view, full view, snippet view, snippet view. - -sche (discuss) 21:14, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

@-sche: Brill. Thank you very much. That seems to be De Laude Scriptorum Tractatus, written by Johannes Carlerius de Gersono in April 1423. These two are copies of Johannes Spencer Smith's 1841 edition of the Tractatus; unfortunately, Smith more or less modernised de Gersono's typography, which obscures the exempla in the Tractatus; the two snippets retain some of the original typography, which illuminates them again somewhat. I'll see if I can track down the Tractatus in one of these five volumes from 1706 or, perhaps, from a yet-earlier source… Exciting stuff! — I.S.M.E.T.A. 02:07, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Translations

Looking at the interwiki links of r rotunda, the only names which seem to be attested are the German and Czech ones. The Spanish name isn't attested AFAICT, and the insufficient number of hits the French name gets seem to furthermore refer to any round r (e.g. in a person's handwriting), not r rotunda in particular. Slovene is iffy. Incidentally, R. rotunda is attested as a short form of Runcina rotunda(?), but IIRC the feeling of the editors who work on taxonomic names is that such short forms shouldn't be included except in exceptional cases like T. rex and E. coli. - -sche (discuss) 20:53, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

@-sche: Thanks for doing the research. It's reasons like those that make me decide not to add translations based upon foreign-language Wikipedias' article titles. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 21:00, 27 July 2015 (UTC)