Talk:schreibungsabhängig

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RFV discussion: November 2021–January 2022[edit]

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If RfV fails, also remove it from case sensitive (where in my opinion {{no equivalent translation}} should be used for German) and clean up the rest of Special:WhatLinksHere/schreibungsabhängig. 0 hits on Google groups and Google books (bar words that use it as a part such as "beschreibungsabhängig").

schreibungsunabhängig[edit]

One hit on Google groups ("Beide. Header-`Namen' sind schreibungsunabhängig (äh, nicht case-sen-sitiv), vgl. RFC 1036/822.") and one on Google books (in Sieben Wochen, sieben Datenbanken: moderne Datenbanken und die NoSQL-Bewegung). If this passes, please flag the entry as a rare neologism, because that's what it is. --Fytcha (talk) 18:39, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Plenty of uses, but probably not durably archived: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7].  --Lambiam 21:54, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's pretty telling that these terms are super rare in German programming literature (only one hit as mentioned above). The word is also fairly nonsensical, literally meaning "writing dependent", not referring to capitalization in particular. In multiple German-translation fora, the question of translating "case-(in)sensitive" regularly comes up and the given answer always is that it has to be rewritten because there's no fitting adjective (which would be my answer as well) (see [8], [9] [10], [11]). de.wiki suggests "case-sensitiv" (semi-calque), de.wikt gives "Groß- und Kleinschreibung beachtend" (NISOP), gymglish gives a periphrase, bab.la gives a NISOP.
Now the interesting part: Both these terms can currently be found on dict.cc and this since already 28.04.2008 and 14.10.2008 respectively. The second was created in reference to the first one and the first in reference to Wikipedia. As one can't currently find those terms in the Wiki main namespace ([12], [13]), I've of course asked myself where this reference comes from. Turns out, it was on de.wiki at some point: It was added on 18.07.2007 where it stood for over two years before it was removed on the 28.12.2009 for being a Wortneuprägung (novel coinage). It's well worth noting that the original author wrote: "Im Deutschen hat sich für die Unterscheidung zwischen Groß- und Kleinschreibung noch kein Begriff durchgesetzt. Angesichts der bestehenden Begriffe "Großschreibung" und "Kleinschreibung" liegt die Neuprägung "Schreibungsabhängigkeit" nahe. [...]" which is basically an admission that he just made these terms up. Compare also the corresponding discussion archive.
I believe that the limited use on the internet comes from German-speaking people who wondered whether there's a succinct German counterpart for English "case-(in)sensitive" so they've looked it up on dict.cc (one of the most popular free De-En dictionaries) and stumbled upon that nonsense invented by Milu~dewiki. Either that or translation AIs that learned from free dictionaries such as dict.cc. Either way, it's clear that both those entries will be labeled as rare nonstandard neologisms if they survive RfV which I hope they will not. I'm really not particularly fond of these Wikipedia neologisms that somehow get used by a poor soul or two (the last of which was Talk:Alkoholersterwerbsalter). Pinging @Fay Freak as you might be interested in this one too. --Fytcha (talk) 02:06, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Category:German terms coined by Wikipedia" :( This should be deleted if no CFI-compliant quotations are found. Does dict.cc have a mechanism to remove bad translations? – Jberkel 20:38, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RFV-failed. — Fytcha T | L | C 13:03, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]