Template talk:csb-adecl

cztok and dżtog

@Benwing2 It seems that there's not a good way to handle drëdżi, which has dżtog behavior. Am I missing something? Vininn126 (talk) 21:45, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@Vininn126 Oops, I didn't realize there were such adjectives, but it makes sense. Do you think I should use an indicator <dżtog> or make a single indicator that works for both -czi and -dżi adjectives? If the latter, what should it be called? Does something like <depalatal> or <unsoften> make sense? Also are there similar adjectives that end in -szi that have -ch- in some forms? Benwing2 (talk) 21:51, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@Benwing2 Good question, and no, consider głëchi. I'm not sure what the best name would be, perhaps unsoften... (since it's probably better to have a single parameter) Vininn126 (talk) 21:52, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@Benwing2 Finally, żóden exists as a synonym of niżóden, is it possible to play with the regex for <irreg>? Vininn126 (talk) 22:20, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

There are a few more irregular pronouns as well - wszëtek, wszëstek, wszeden, wszësczën, wszëternôstek, chtëren all come to mind immediately, but there might be more, so it'll probably be better if I figure out how to add irregular pronouns/adjectives myself. Vininn126 (talk) 22:40, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@Vininn126 It depends on how these are declined. If they're all declined the same (or in a limited number of ways), I can add an indicator (or indicators) for this, but if they're all different, they're best handled one by one as irregular pronouns. Benwing2 (talk) 22:43, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@Benwing2 They should all be the same way, and like niżóden at that. Vininn126 (talk) 22:46, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@Vininn126 OK, just verifying they aren't like jeden, which is different from niżóden. Benwing2 (talk) 22:49, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@Vininn126 Hmm. The ones that end in -k, do they change to -cz before endings beginning with -i-? Benwing2 (talk) 22:53, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@Benwing2 I will double check and get back to you with that, might end up being tomorrow. Vininn126 (talk) 22:56, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@Benwing2 Apparently niżóden and the like use a short declension (which makes sense, looking at the ending). -ek alternates with -cë in the virile, and you have the regular -k-/-cz- alternations. Feminine should use a hard -ka. Vininn126 (talk) 23:10, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@Benwing2 everything looks right except the feminine and neuter singular, which as I mentioned, have the short endings -a and -o. Vininn126 (talk) 23:25, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@Vininn126 Oops, OK. Do niżóden etc. also use the short -a/-o? If so what about the feminine accusative singular? jeden uses -ã instead of ą, is that also found in pronouns in -en and -ek? Benwing2 (talk) 23:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Also does the non-virile nom/acc plural use short -e instead of -é, like jeden? Benwing2 (talk) 23:30, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes to using short -a/-o, -ą for accusative, yes for -en and -ek, and oddly -é. I think Makùrôt had a mistake, which would explain what happened here. And I think with that, that should hopefully be everything covered. Vininn126 (talk) 23:34, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@Vininn126 OK, still a little confused. jeden has non-virile plural -e, are you sure that the others in -en/-ek have -é? If so this would be the only difference between jeden and the others in -en, which seems strange. Benwing2 (talk) 23:40, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@Benwing2 jedne is correct. It's a bit of an exception, I suppose we should expect something like that with such a basic word. Vininn126 (talk) 23:49, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@Benwing2 Alright, I think that was everything. Thanks for all the changes - projects like these always end up shining light on situations never covered by source material. Vininn126 (talk) 23:53, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@Vininn126 No problem! Benwing2 (talk) 23:54, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@Benwing2 ten and tamten should use a short declension where the stems are t- and tamt-, is there a way to handle this currently? Vininn126 (talk) 09:45, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

@Vininn126 Try using <irreg>. This should get everything except possibly the non-virile nom pl, which will have -é. If it needs -e, we just need to modify the condition in line 350 to handle stems in t- and tamt-. Benwing2 (talk) 10:50, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

@Benwing2 I'm getting forms such as tamtnégò, when it should be tamtégò. Vininn126 (talk) 10:53, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

@Vininn126 Ahh, I see, will fix. Benwing2 (talk) 11:24, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

@Benwing2 Can we add a way to override "possessive" for gòtów? Vininn126 (talk) 11:14, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

@Vininn126 Where is the "possessive" category coming from? I don't see it. Benwing2 (talk) 11:35, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

It shows up when you add the template - I didn't as it was incorrect. Vininn126 (talk) 11:44, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Let me clarify - I agree by default -ów adjectives should be possessive, but it'd be nice to have a way to override that, perhaps something like <short> or <shortdecl> or something. Vininn126 (talk) 11:54, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

@Vininn126 I thought we agreed in any case not to add declension tables to non-lemma forms such as short adjectives. Benwing2 (talk) 20:01, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Ack, sorry, yes, I'm getting lost in all this. Vininn126 (talk) 20:19, 19 February 2024 (UTC)