Template talk:hit-conj-mi

Accentuation

@JohnC5, I think to make the template accurately describe Hittite it must take account of stress, but I'm afraid it might be getting too complicated. There are too many factors that must be taken into account. There are 2 conjugations, 2 finite sets of endings, ablauting and non-ablauting stems, vocalic & consonant endings, and special consonant stems that trigger allophony such as "-ḫ", "-u", or "-t". I notice that PIE inflectional tables take into account whether the stem is accentuated to choose the desinences. I think that for the conjugation, Hittite would need a module of this kind. I was wondering if you could help me out with this.

Concerning the reconstruction of accentuation Yates argues, quite convincingly in my opinion, that it's ruled by the Basic accentuation principle. This would mean that there would be some differences on the table depending on whether the stem has an inherent accent. The differences would mainly concern vocalic length (e.g. ātar/atar), but also the endings /-ˈu̯ɛni/ and /-ˈtɛni/ alternate with /´-u̯ani/ and /´-tani/ (the latter are only present when the accent is in the previews syllable). --Tom 144 (𒄩𒇻𒅗𒀸) 04:26, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

@Tom 144: I'd be happy to help, though I'm very busy at the moment, so if you'd need to give very specific instructions and research. Also, I know Tony Yates and can ask him stuff if you need to know anything. —*i̯óh₁n̥C^[5] 07:07, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

@JohnC5: Cool, I'll keep it in mind. --Tom 144 (𒄩𒇻𒅗𒀸) 17:22, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

@JohnC5 Hi, I've made a couple of templates that cover pretty broadly all Hittite's first conjugation. Could you help me with making a module that is able to identify, by the stem of the word, which template to apply. It only needs to take into account the accentuation and the ending of the stem.

These are the templates:

• Ablauting stems
  • Barytone / desinentially accented
• Non-Ablauting stems
  • consonant-stems
    • Barytone/Paroxytone
    • Oxytone (note that when the stem is a monosyllable, it counts as an oxytone)
  • e-stems
    • Barytone
    • Paroxytone
    • Oxytone
  • ye-stems
    • Paroxytone/Barytone
    • Oxytone
  • ai-stems
    • Oxytone
  • nu-stems
    • Barytone/Paroxytone
  • ešš-stems
    • Barytone/Paroxytone

I would really appreciate it. --Tom 144 (𒄩𒇻𒅗𒀸) 23:55, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

@Tom 144: I don't think verbs have both -uwar and -ātar or -uwanzi and -anna formations. They have one set or the other. —*i̯óh₁n̥C^[5] 04:55, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Also, why u̯? —*i̯óh₁n̥C^[5] 04:57, 29 July 2018 (UTC)r

@JohnC5: You are right, each verbs should only take one set. However, since they are assigned their class quite randomly, and some verbs do belong to both classes, I thought it'd be easier to neglect that fact. Nevertheless, I could still make one of each set (except for -nu- and -ešš-). And about the "u̯", I forgot to change it.--Tom 144 (𒄩𒇻𒅗𒀸) 15:55, 29 July 2018 (UTC)