Template talk:sa-root

Class documentation

@Aryamanarora, thanks for creating this template. Could you possible put together an Appendix page with an explanation of all the class codes and their meanings? That would be very useful to the user, I think. —JohnC5 17:58, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

@JohnC5: I am only just getting into Sanskrit, so I don't really know much about the classes except that there are 10 groups and that each group has a unique conjugation. I'm reading [1] which might be helpful, but this is pretty confusing stuff. —Aryamanarora ^{(मुझसे बात करो)} 18:02, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

@Aryamanarora: So, after some research, the general system found in Monier-Williams is <Root> <transliteration> <gaṇa number> <P./Ā.> <3sg.>. The "P." is "parasmaipada" and "Ā." is "ātmanepada". It would appear, however, that every time you see "A1." on [2], this is an OCR error for "Ā." So वद् (vad) is class 1 with both parasmaipada and ātmanepada. Does that make sense? —JohnC5 18:36, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

@JohnC5: Oh, that makes sense! Thanks for that. —Aryamanarora ^{(मुझसे बात करो)} 18:40, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

[3] So ātmanepeda is the "middle" voice (e.g. yajate "he sacrifices for himself") and parasmaipada (e.g. yajati "he sacrifices for somebody else") is the active voice. —Aryamanarora ^{(मुझसे बात करो)} 18:44, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

@Aryamanarora: Oh yeah, I knew that. I've taken Sanskrit before. I was just confused by MW's notation, when in fact it was just being OCR'd incorrectly. I asked you to make the appendix page because I'm lazy. ;P —JohnC5 18:53, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

@JohnC5: Meanwhile I'm trying to get through a 6th grade textbook... I wish I could take Sanskrit. —Aryamanarora ^{(मुझसे बात करो)} 19:04, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

@Aryamanarora: Let me be clear: I can't read Sanskrit anymore, but the grammar and historical phonology, I can understand. —JohnC5 20:18, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

@AryamanA, @JohnC5: Can anyone create additional 2 parameters to enter the class (1 to 10) and the type (AP or PP or UP)? This is the most common way of presenting the roots. JainismWikipedian (talk) 16:14, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

not good

@SodhakSH, Bhagadatta User:SodhakSH You can't do what you're trying to do without fixing up all the existing uses of {{sa-root}} that behave differently. See [4] for an example of all the bad categories that came out of your change, e.g. Category:Sanskrit terms belonging to the root 1 A1 and Category:Sanskrit terms belonging to the root 1 or 6. That's partly why I reverted. Benwing2 (talk) 02:41, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

BTW you can see the reasoning for the former params in the discussion above. By trying to reuse this template in a different way, you've kind of made a mess of things. Benwing2 (talk) 02:45, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@Benwing2: I'll clean that up. But here I've never seen a class after a root; we only categorise the third person singular present tense verb forms so. 🔥शब्दशोधक🔥 02:59, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@SodhakSH Thanks. See also Category:Sanskrit terms belonging to the root 4P. Benwing2 (talk) 03:01, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@SodhakSH: Benwing has a point. Moreover, you've lately been trying to automate many little things which wouldn't actually be a big bother to manually type out; your edit to this template is itself an example. You should take care that such edits do not make a mess in other entries. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪^{(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴)} 03:11, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@Bhagadatta: I'll try my best and that's correct: I have been trying to automate many things like {{R:CDIAL}}, the Prakrit hw templates, Template talk:R:omr:Tulpule, etc.; right now editing उपनिषद् (fixing the sa-root, adding declension, Nepali, and some other things) 🔥शब्दशोधक🔥 03:16, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@SodhakSH There is still an entry in Category:Sanskrit terms belonging to the root 4P. Benwing2 (talk) 00:23, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Benwing2: Yes there is. I haven't yet fixed that because it's also a noun with a special declension and it has many other meanings and derived terms. Will be done by today. 🔥शब्दशोधक🔥 00:48, 6 May 2021 (UTC)