User:-sche/Low German

Index of past and present discussions

• Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2011/May#Low_German (decision to use the header Low German, not Low Saxon, for nds)
• Template talk:drt (RFDO discussion of the Dutch Low Saxon varieties drt, gos and twd)
• Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2012/March#Status_of_Low_German_varieties (discussion of the various Low German varieties; expressions of support for the merger of all Dutch varieties under one code, the merger of all German varieties under another, and the retention of Plautdietsch)
• Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2012/November#Translations_into_Low_German_dialects (decision to deprecate the subvariety codes: pdt was unchanged; wep was merged into nds; act, drt, gos, twd, sdz, stl, vel were merged into nds-nl)
• User talk:-sche/Archive/Low German#nds-de (discussion of what to call the lects and whether or not to use nds-de)
• Wiktionary talk:About Low German#RFM_discussion_of_nds.2C_nds-de.2C_nds-nl (permalink to WT:RFM) (decision to deprecate the code nds and the header Low German, following all previous discssions)

• User talk:-sche#Low_German_and_User:Joachim_Mos and User talk:-sche#nds.wiktionary
• User talk:Metaknowledge#Code_nds_at_English_Wiktionary
• User talk:Hippietrail#nds_doesn.27t_run

• Thread:User talk:CodeCat/German words from Low German (for a change of pace, this is a discussion of the separation of modern Low German from Middle Low German)

Discussion may also take place on the talk pages of the lects' "About" pages:

• Wiktionary talk:About Low German
• Wiktionary talk:About German Low German
• Wiktionary talk:About Dutch Low Saxon (currently a redlink)
• Wiktionary talk:About Plautdietsch (currently a redlink)

The issue of frs and stq is intertwined:

• Wiktionary:RFM#Template:frs_-_Template:stq
• Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2012/March#frs_and_stq
• Wiktionary:RFM#frs_to_gmw-fre
• Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2013/January#Saterlandic_and_East_Frisian_again

• User talk:-sche/Archive/Low German

West Germanic has been, at all stages of its development, difficult to pull apart into discrete languages without leftovers. As Ernst Kausen wrote of German:

Die drei historischen Stadien — Althochdeutsch, Mittelhochdeutsch und Neuhochdeutsch — sind nur als Vereinigung von Dialekten greifbar, die verschiedenen Zweigen der obigen Klassifikation angehören.

The three historical stages — Old High German, Middle High German and New High German — are concrete only as unions of dialects which belong to different branches of the above classification scheme.