User talk:Rhachani

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مرحبا!

أهلا وسهلا بك في ويكاموس. شكرا لمساهماتك. أتمنى أن يروقك هذا الفضاء وأن تقرر المساهمة على الدوام. هذه وصلات مفيدة للمشاركين الجدد:

• دليل ويكاموس
• كيف أحرر صفحة ما
• كيف أنشئ صفحة ما
• منهاج التنسيق
• معايير قبول الصفحات
• ساحة لعب ويكاموس (حيث يمكنك تجريب الصيغ بأمان)
• ويكاموس ليس ...
• أسئلة مكررة

أتمنى أن تستمتع بالمساهمة هنا وبانضمامك إلى فريق الويكاموسيين! بالمناسبة، يمكنك التوقيع باسمك في صفحات النقاش والتصويت باستعمال أربع موجات، هكذا ~~~~، تولد هذه الصيغة اسمك وتاريخ التحرير آليا. إذا كان لديك أي سؤال، اطلع على صفحات المساعدة ولا تتردد في طرحه على الميدان أو علي مباشرة في صفحة نقاشي. مرة أخرى، أهلا بك!

Nesting

Hi, please nest Tunisian Arabic under Arabic, I changed your translation for they:

* Arabic: {{qualifier|dual}} {{t-|ar|هما|tr=húmaa}}, {{t+|ar|هم|p|tr=hum}}, {{t-|ar|هن|f|p|tr=húnna}},  {{qualifier|non-human}} {{t+|ar|هي|tr=híya}}
*: Egyptian Arabic: {{Arab|[[هما]]}} (humma)
*: [[Tunisian Arabic]]: {{tø|aeb|هما|m|f|p|tr=humā|alt=هُمَا|sc=Arab}}

--Anatoli 20:40, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually the system should do it for him/her. All he/she is doing is using WT:ACCEL in the way it is designed to work. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:38, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

I didn't know, thanks. Also, I don't see much benefit in translation into dialects, if they are identical to standard (Fus-ha), like in Tunisia, it's تونس in all dialects (same for Tunis). We normally ignore case endings here, anyway. --Anatoli 05:10, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Mglovesfun is right. I've been using WT:ACCEL to add aeb translations, but they were appearing in a line by their own. So now, I'll continue using WT:ACCEL, then go into edit mode and copy and paste it under ar. Anatoli's comment about not seeing much benefit in translating dialects if they look like the standard, well... being a native speaker of aeb myself, the jury on that is still out. They might look the same without the vowels, but the pronounciation can differ a lot, which is why I've been adding the vowels, including the case endings, because as you might already be aware that in aeb case endings have disappeared, or rather they have become "sukun". PS: I'm a "he", and my name is Ramzi. Thank you both for your help. (Ramzi) 14:04, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Ramzi, what I meant, we don't add case endings to MSA translations, using pausal or more casual forms in translations, so that (standard) Arabic entries end in sukūn as well, e.g. romanising أنف as ’anf, not ’ánfun. So, if a word in a dialect is the same in form and the basic pronunciation (ignoring إﻋﺮﺍﺏ), it's OK to just have Arabic, using "ar" code but it's important to add the dialect form, if they are different. PLease check Arabic translations of yesterday and tomorrow, where Egyptian Arabic is nested under Arabic and the translation differ largely. Yes, unfortunately for nesting, you have to manually edit, even if you use the assisted method (WT:ACCEL) at first. Regards. --Anatoli 23:20, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Tunisia

I don't think they Tunisian Arabic for Tunisia is Tunisia, as Tunisian Arabic doesn't use the Latin script. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:17, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Compound diacritics

We can’t use compound diacritics in Arabic because our Wiki software, for the purpose of "normalization", always saves them in the wrong order. When you type shadda-fatha, it gets saved as fatha-shadda, which does not look right.
If necessary, there is a way to do it by typing codes: shadda+fatha = &#x0 651;&#x0 64E; • shadda+kasra = &#x0 651;&#x0 650; • shadda+dhamma = &#x0 651;&#x0 64F; (but without spaces), like so: لستنَّ إنـِّى الطـُّولى. —Stephen 17:18, 8 May 2010 (UTC)