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April 2022

Protection request[edit]

Hoping this is the correct place. A persistent and disruptive sock-troll-stalker had been posting harassing messages to the talk pages on my account on various Wikis, some where I'm very active, some I visit sparingly, and others I have not really used at all. Just the same, my pages are having protection added to them, on the projects where they've shown up, such as this one. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks Thewolfchild (talk) 07:52, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We also have Wiktionary:Vandalism in progress, but this is fine. Let me know how else I can help. —Justin (koavf)TCM 08:01, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Statistics for articles which were searched the most by users but which aren't created yet[edit]

Is it possible to receive statistics for non-existent articles which were searched the most by users? It would be useful to know which words need to be added. For example, in Russian-Ukrainian dictionary https://r2u.org.ua/ editors can see which words were searched the most among those that aren't created yet. --Bicolino34 (talk) 07:05, 6 April 2022 (UTC) @Bicolino34[reply]

I haven't heard of such a thing, though it would be interesting. Jberkel's wanted lists do, however, achieve something similar. brittletheories (talk) 14:03, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

entry search in unusual script[edit]

Is there a possibility to give in search input in scripts I do not master by my installed keyboard-layout , e.g. in Gothic script. I saw that this is possible for article-editing. --Utonsal (talk) 00:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How do I search for reconstructed terms ?[edit]

e.g. PIE Proto-Indo-European *ḱwṓ (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/%E1%B8%B1w%E1%B9%93) --Utonsal (talk) 01:03, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Special:Search. Under “Search in” add the namespace Reconstruction. Although I opine that it should be selected by default. Fay Freak (talk) 02:13, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Your proposal doesn't seem to work. This (https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?search=%2A%E1%B8%B1w%E1%B9%93&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1&ns118=1) is the URL I produce by searching. --Utonsal (talk) 23:03, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to only search for reconstructions, you have to unselect (Main) too. Or you can put "reconstruction: *ḱwṓ" (no quotes) into the search bar. 01:04, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How to link English definitions of Vietnamese derived terms to Wikipedia pages?[edit]

At https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/th%E1%BA%A5t#Derived_terms I want to link the definition Double Seventh Festival of the derived term Thất Tịch to its Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qixi_Festival, but using the standard [ [w|Qixi Festival|Double Seventh Festival] ] creates a link to the Wikipedia page for the letter 'w' rather than the article itself. Is there a way round this or do I need to create a Wiktionary page for the definition of each derived term? —⁠This unsigned comment was added by Gavinkwhite (talkcontribs) at 04:07, 7 April 2022 (UTC).[reply]

@Gavinkwhite: I think you remembered it wrong: the standard is with a colon (:), not a pipe (|), as in [[w:Qixi Festival|Double Seventh Festival]]/Double Seventh Festival. We do have the {{w}} template, which uses pipes like all templates do. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:22, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, ok. I wasn't aware of that. I probably just copied the pipe format from the template page. The pipe seems to work fine on the main page of an entry but not in any derived terms. Thanks! Gavinkwhite (talk) 04:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Random entry[edit]

Is it possible to restrict the Randon entry search to English words only? —⁠This unsigned comment was added by Willy Obretenov (talkcontribs) at 05:52, 7 April 2022‎.

Try Special:RandomInCategory/English lemmas. 05:53, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Regional definitions?[edit]

Hello, there's a regional definition for a term that I'd like to add (and there is evidence online that it is fairly widespread), specifically a definition for a Chinese term, and the region is a province, Xinjiang. So far I got {{lb|zh|informal}} A stupid person, what do I need to add to let viewers know it's a regional specific definition? X750 (talk) 21:47, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We have a lot of dialectical and regional markers for variations, so if you edit Module:labels/data/lang/zh to add a variation for Xinjiang and use the label {{lb|zh|informal|Xinjiang}} , then it could be categorized and you could make Category:Xinjiang Chinese and make that a subcategory of Category:Regional Chinese. Let me know if any of that is confusing or if you need help. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:31, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Consider it done X750 (talk) 10:14, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]


I edited roger beep and power mic. How do the links look? Are the pages over- or under-linked? --HamWithCats (talk) 22:03, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

LGTM. 03:53, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fine details of Unicode point / language differences[edit]

Alternative forms for this character 鼻 are slightly different when used (by humans) in Chinese vs Japanese. There is only one Unicode point, but Japanese-centric and Chinese-centric fonts will render it differently; many browsers will take advantage of this, so that the attribute lang="zh-CN" on an HTML element will result in a Chinese flavored font being used. This is used correctly within this Wiktionary article, and my browsers render the difference correctly.

However, the discussion of this difference does not emphasize that there is only one codepoint, and that browsers rely on the lang= attribute to select the correct font. If one does not know this fact and simply copies and pastes the character from the web page into something one is writing, one may get the wrong form, and become frustrated.

Should I add information about the attribute to the page? Or is that off-topic for Wiktionary? Rpresser (talk) 17:42, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think typographic information like that is completely relevant and valid, so please do insert it. —Justin (koavf)TCM 05:01, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How to use {{rfclarify}}[edit]

How is one meant to use the template {{rfclarify}} to request clarification of an inadequate definition? So far I've added it to an offending entry (I decided {{rfv}} was a bit too strong), but the only statement of the issues is in the change comment. That seems woefully inadequate. --RichardW57 (talk) 19:44, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You can add a <!-- ... --> comment in the source code too. While a parameter could be added to the template to specify a reason, like {{rfe}} allows, it might be too much for the reader-facing definition line. 03:47, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

a minor audio-clip error[edit]

Hello, Mister/Miss; in the entry of the word 'grande' in the English language, please replace or remove the audio clip of its 2nd etymology, because the pronunciation has a phoneme that is not prescribed in its IPA transcription—i.e. the diphthong /ɛɪ/. —⁠This unsigned comment was added by A Mediocre Lifetime Student (talkcontribs) at 09:38, 19 April 2022‎.

Done. I've replaced it with the pronunciation at grand, for which it appears to be just a spelling variant. 03:50, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Language code for adding Cypriot Greek translations?[edit]

I could not find anything in the documentation. Spiros71 (talk) 15:48, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps because Cypriot Greek is not considered a separate language. If you want to add, for example, πίσσα at thrush § Translations, you could use
Greek: {{t+|el|τσίχλα|f}}, {{q|Cypriot}} {{t+|el|πίσσα|f}},
which will display as
Greek: τσίχλα (el) f (tsíchla), (Cypriot) πίσσα (el) f (píssa).
 --Lambiam 20:33, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Request for edit to Module:wikipedia[edit]

On Module:wikipedia, could a template editor or admin please replace both usages of File:Wikipedia-logo.png with File:Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg? I noticed that the produced image is blurry (at least for me) because it's a PNG, and replacing it with an SVG would be nice. Thanks! Tol (talk) 17:13, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think the older logo is fine, Tol?? Al175an (talk) 11:31, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They are the same logo, but PNGs get blocky when viewed at different sizes, whereas SVG looks good at all sizes. Equinox 11:34, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Al175an: Sorry; I didn't see this! What @Equinox said is right. PNGs are raster, so they get pixelated at large sizes, while SVGs don't. Tol (talk) 22:25, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese dialects[edit]

What sources I can use to make Chinese dialect pronounciations? Al175an (talk) 11:30, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Al175an "Make"? —Fish bowl (talk) 08:23, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

no quotation[edit]

Hello, Mister/Miss; in the entry of the word 'counterfeit' as a noun, the second bullet under the first sense does not have a quotation that has the word counterfeit. Ostensively it only has a citation to a literary work and, mysteriously, the numeral 16 as its "quotation". Please either remove or replace it.

Thank you. A Mediocre Lifetime Student (talk) 08:04, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have fixed this. Thank you for reporting the mistake.
Regards. 08:24, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]



This is a pronunciation of an imaginary word bary followed by berry. Could someone transcribe them in close IPA for me. Dngweh2s (talk) 18:35, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(beary?) Equinox 18:37, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I do not know what you mean by close, but I assume you mean the basic form (which is transcribed inside forward-leaning slashes).
The pronunciation of the audio clip distinguishes between the words berry and bary, so I believe it does not have the 'Mary-marry-merry merger'.
bary - /ˈbæ.ɹi/
berry - /ˈbɛ.ɹi/
beary - /ˈbɛə.ɹi/
Thank you. A Mediocre Lifetime Student (talk) 08:22, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Equinox @Mahagaja Close means the exact form using square brackets. Also, I believe bary and beary are homophones in all accents. The word pronounced [æ˞] would be barry which I'm pretty sure is the only way for that sound to be written. I'm just trying to figure out if the phoneme my local dialect uses for all three of these words is the "ary" or the "erry" sound. At this point I think the unmerged pronunciations would be:
bary, beary - [beɹi] (which can also be written as [beɚ̯i])
berry - [bɛ˞ i]
barry - [bæ˞ i]
Dngweh2s (talk) 23:16, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We might as well throw bury into the mix. The sound file there is pretty close to how I pronounce all of the above. In your recording, the second syllable sounds like Barry in most unmerged dialects, and the first is more like what I would expect for berry. Chuck Entz (talk) 00:01, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

May 2022

How to fix/remove anubandhas?[edit]

Would it be more appropriate to use RFD or RFV (or some other approach) to suggest the entry anubandhas (English noun, plural of anubandha) be removed? (The purported singular is redlinked, and seems to be a transliteration of अनुबंध.) Or would it be better to create an English entry for anubandha and immediately rfquote it? -- Medmunds (talk) 21:56, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some quotations: Citations:anubandha. 22:29, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Even better. Thanks! -- Medmunds (talk) 03:22, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How do I make a page[edit]

I would like to make a page about a minecraft a directory page —⁠This unsigned comment was added by Peyton dodson 5 (talkcontribs) at 22:28, 3 May 2022‎.

See Help:Starting a new page and Wiktionary:Entry layout. 22:39, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok —⁠This unsigned comment was added by Peyton dodson 5 (talkcontribs) at 22:41, 3 May 2022‎.

What do you mean by “directory page”?  --Lambiam 08:21, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Japanese rōmaji long vowels[edit]


Japanese has long vowels, which are written in Japanese by using added characters. The difference between long vowels and short vowels is important and is part of how words are spelled in Japanese. It looks like Wiktionary uses Revised Hepburn to write Japanese in the Latin script. This system uses diacritics for long vowels (sometimes). In Japanese, these vowels would be written with multiple characters.

So for example, the word jōzu is typed as じょうず or "jouzu".

Sometimes when I look up a word in Japanese, I do not have convenient access to an input method allowing me to type in the Japanese writing system. If I wanted to look up the word jōzu I would type "jouzu" in the search bar, because that's how it would be written in Japanese. The results for "jouzu" are not helpful, however. Wiktionary doesn't have entries for jouzu or jozu, but if I type "jozu" in the search bar, it auto-redirects to jōzu.

Having to type "jozu" to get to a word that not actually written as "jozu", but instead is very commonly typed as "jouzu", seems like a problem.

So here are my two questions:

  • Is there a page that explains how Wiktionary handles kana, rōmaji, and kanji?
  • When I find words like this, is there any reason not to create a redirect to the page title with the diacritic? If I do this, is it just that simple, or is there a template or good example I should copy? I have experience with Wikipedia, if that simplifies things.

Thanks. Grayfell (talk) 05:34, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For some terms we already have such redirects; bekijou redirects to bekijō, and benkyou redirects to benkyō. We have a true entry bonnou as a Rōmaji transcription of ぼんのう, which I think is preferable – a potential problem with redirects is language conflicts. For example, Romanian has a word birou, so the page cannot redirect to birō. (Funny enough, we have an entry bishoujo, but only as an English word loaned from Japanese.) WT:AJA gives information on creating Japanese language entries.  --Lambiam 15:38, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Great, thanks. Grayfell (talk) 19:56, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Vietnamese: How to add additional etymologies to a page that does not have an initial one[edit]

Hi. I want to add an additional etymology to https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/v%E1%BB%87#Vietnamese but the original entry does not have one as it is probably unknown. How do I go about formatting this? TIA Gavinkwhite (talk) 05:18, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming you can have multiple tabs open in your browser:
  1. Open tabs on the pages âm lượng and vệ.
  2. On each, click edit next to the heading Vietnamese and go to the edit windows.
  3. In the edit window for âm lượng you'll see an etymology section with a header in the form ===Etymology===.
  4. Add a similarly styled section below the header ==Vietnamese== in the edit window for vệ (with the appropriate etymology).
  5. Preview the result (click Show preview), and make any necessary improvements until you are satisfied.
  6. Publish the changes.
If, as you say, the etymology is probably unknown, make sure that the tentative character of any proposed theory is clearly indicated.  --Lambiam 14:29, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. The page vệ has an existing noun definition of edge, side but with no etymology. What I want to do is add an etymology for a different meaning of vệ, and an additional definition and derived terms. To do this normally I would change ===Etymology=== in the existing entry to ===Etymology 1=== and add ===Etymology 2=== but the original entry does not have an etymology section. Thanks. Gavinkwhite (talk) 14:47, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I could do this by e.g. creating a blank or unknown ===Etymology 1=== section for vệ - edge, side or simply ignoring the fact that there is no etymology section for the original entry and creating the first one for the new meaning. I haven't come across anything like this before so don't know how to format it. Thanks. Gavinkwhite (talk) 15:00, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, so I have created
===Etymology 1===
(This etymology is missing or incomplete. Please add to it, or discuss it at the Etymology scriptorium.)
Is this [and the rest of the page] correct? Gavinkwhite (talk) 02:25, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It looks good to me. 02:27, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Adding quotations from Targum Onkelus[edit]

Hi! Lately I've been adding quotations from the Targum Onkelos to Aramaic terms, such as דתאה. For this purpose I used the RQ:Tanach template, since the Targum is a translation of the Bible in Aramaic. But I was wondering - is there a template specific for Targumic citations? And if there is no such template - could it be created? (such a template may be identical to RQ:Tanach, with an additional note that the citation is from the Targum, and not the original Hebrew text). Thanks! Cymelo (talk) 07:41, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can't add references[edit]

I have added a new word "Mothparja" but can't add references to itFAAHS (talk) 07:57, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@FAAHS: see WT:Entry layout for all the things you should have been adding, the lack of which caused your entry to be deleted. This is a dictionary, so explanations of where a word came from should be in an etymology section, and there should be a headword, followed by the definition. Since Mothparja is a specific, named place it should be under a Proper noun header, with a headword template appropriate for a proper noun.
I've looked through the abuse filter logs, and it looks like the "reference" you kept trying to add was a link to an old revision of a Wikipedia article. For one thing, wikis aren't acceptable references for our purposes, and for the other, you don't link to websites using the {{quote-book}}} template.
Also, we don't require references like Wikipedia does. See WT:Criteria for inclusion for the kind of verification we would want. The village name in English doesn't occur in Google Books at all, and is so rare in the rest of Google that it might not pass our attestation requirements. It might be easier to add it as a Sindhi entry. Chuck Entz (talk) 09:42, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is it possible to change my username?[edit]

I don't want to change it at the moment - I am just wondering in theory if it would be possible to change my username, but keep my previous edits/contributions under the new username? DaveyLiverpool (talk) 23:38, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@DaveyLiverpool: Yes. See m:Changing_username. —Justin (koavf)TCM 00:12, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That covers it. Thank you very much, Justin. DaveyLiverpool (talk) 01:07, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

an instance of nonsense[edit]

Hello, Mister/Miss; in the entry of the word 'singaw', which is only available in the Tagalog language as a noun yet, the present definition of its third sense is confusing logically and grammatically. I am fluent in Tagalog, but I do not know about the meaning, I reckon that the noun vapor there must have been dew or some close synonym of it and that the word form there must have been the preposition from. Please either remove or edit it.

Thank you. A Mediocre Lifetime Student (talk) 06:49, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]