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July 2024

تلفاز

There is a citation to a dictionary in this article, but the dictionary in question does not appear to contain the word. I'm not sure how we handle this sort of problem in WT: should I simply remove the reference, or what? (I looked for a cleanup tag like w:Template:failed verification to apply, but I didn't find one.) ColinFine (talk) 16:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine: It is in page 116. — Fenakhay ^{(حيطي · مساهماتي)} 16:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I didn't think of looking before the page that the link delivered me to, particularly since تلفيريك is on that page - I didn't notice the ya before the fa (and I'm not very familiar with Arabic alphabetical order). So the problem is with ejtaal.net's indexing then. Is there a way of fixing the link to point to the right place nevertheless? ColinFine (talk) 17:03, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Question.

Question. Is there a category or special page where one can check entries that have no etymologies? [Saviourofthe] ୨୧ 14:09, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

This will show you every page that links to or transcludes {{rfe}}, which is a start. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:58, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

{{rfe}} also categorizes by language. Vininn126 (talk) 06:24, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

I just edited an entry, and then made an account. Can that edit be added to my contributions?

I added an etymology for the Sanskrit term चेतना#Etymology anonymously. I then created an account, because I thought I might make contributions later on. Is it possible to add to my contributions under my account?

https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%A4%9A%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%BE&oldid=80706972

https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%A4%9A%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%BE&oldid=80706977 Sophrosyne42 (talk) 22:03, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Reassigning edits is not really (if ever?) done. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:05, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

How to remove Japanese transliteration?

I'm trying to remove all instances of Latin transliteration appearing in brackets after Japanese words. (For myself only.)

Since I am only starting out in CSS and Javascript, could someone provide me with working code to add to my custom files?

So far, I've managed to hide the letters and dot via my custom CSS. This leaves the brackets, which I don't seem to know how to replace with whitespace in my common.js.

Arachnosuchus (talk) 16:50, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Can you please give me some examples of pages with the transliterations you want to hide so I can see what's going on? DalsoLoonaOT12 (talk) 18:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I tried it with 表外漢字 and unfortunately, as for the .headword-line, the left parenthesis seems to be a text nodes directly under it, and the right parenthesis is under its parent <p> element for some reason (that's so messy, why is it like that 😭); as text nodes, they can't be styled independently (but I've wished they were). I'm trying to hide the relevant element and then unhide the part with the Japanese, and as of now the closest I've gotten is just making the <p> with the .headword-line transparent (using :has, so I hope your browser supports that—I hope MediaWiki supports it seeing as it's just CSS) by setting its color to rgba(0,0,0,0) and then making the text another visible color. The parentheses will still be selectable and may appear when selected (depending on your browser), but it's the only way I was able to hide them without using JS.

The 表外漢字 page also had ローマ字 transliterations in the #Synonyms and #See also sections, and those were only identified in the HTML as being transliterations (<span class="tr">) (though thankfully, the parentheses this time were in classed spans (<span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">) and thus stylable). As such, I could select based on them being siblings of the linked pages, which were helpfully in <span>s with lang="ja", so I could select the transliterations as siblings within the <li> they were in, and thus not have to hide all transcriptions from all languages

Basically, this is messy and kind of cursed, and I hope it works because it would be really embarrassing if it didn't.

a:link,
a:visited
{
color: rgb(229 122 58);
}

.e-transliteration,
.headword-tr,
.headword-tr.tr.Latn,
.headword-line>a
{
display: none;
}

p:has(span.headword-line) {
color: rgba(0,0,0,0)
}

p span.headword-line span:first-of-type {
color: black;
}

li span[lang="ja"] ~ span.mention-gloss-paren.annotation-paren, li span[lang="ja"] ~ span.tr {
display: none;
}

Fun fact: it took longer to figure out how to post the code here than it took to actually write it, because each possible method was showing its own quirks that made it unusable.

• <syntaxhighlight> added non-removable colons to the start of every non-first line for some reason. ALSO, <syntaxhighlight> did not persist over newlines (so even if the closing tag was multiple lines below, only the first line would be affected)
• <pre> forcibly stripped newlines (even when they were manually specified with <br>, even when white-space was set to pre, and did not persist over newlines.
• {{code}} forcibly stripped newlines.
• Making a regular div and making it look like code with CSS did not persist over newlines somehow. I had to do this and replace every line break with a <br> for some reason.

Something is wrong with MediaWiki. Also, my browser crashed twice. DalsoLoonaOT12 (talk) 19:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this seems to break certain pages like ローマ字, where the <p> with the parentheses also contains additional information which gets hidden.

Note: There is no ン ("n") in ローマ字じ • ([transcription removed]) . ローマ is borrowed from Portuguese. Compare however ローマン体 (“roman type”), which uses ローマン; [sic] borrowed from English.

All of the text besides the parentheses also gets hidden. It looks like you'll have to resort to JavaScript. DalsoLoonaOT12 (talk) 19:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

This script should remove the definition romajis (I hope).

/*This is part 1 of a set of code-things meant to remove romaji transliterations from Wiktionary pages.
This one targets romaji in definitions. Part 2 will be a .css file, and targets romaji in "See also" entries.*/

romajis = document.querySelectorAll('span[lang="ja-Latn"]');

function getNodeSiblings(node) {
return Array.from(node.parentElement.childNodes);
}

for(var i = 0; i < romajis.length; i++) {
var node = romajis[i];
var parent = node.parentElement;
var siblings = Array.from(parent.childNodes);
var thisNodeSiblingIndex = siblings.indexOf(node);
var siblingN_Minus_3 = siblings[thisNodeSiblingIndex - 3];
var siblingN_Minus_2 = siblings[thisNodeSiblingIndex - 2];
var siblingN_Minus_1 = siblings[thisNodeSiblingIndex - 1];
var piblings = getNodeSiblings(parent);
var parentPiblingIndex = piblings.indexOf(parent);
var nextPibling = piblings[parentPiblingIndex + 1];
var spaceRightparenOrNbspRegex = RegExp("[\\) " + (String.fromCodePoint(0xA0) + "]"),"g");

if((typeof(siblingN_Minus_1.textContent) === "string") && siblingN_Minus_1.textContent.endsWith("(")) {
parent.removeChild(siblingN_Minus_1);
siblingN_Minus_1 = null;
if((typeof(siblingN_Minus_2.textContent) === "string") && siblingN_Minus_2.textContent.includes("•")) {
parent.removeChild(siblingN_Minus_2);
siblingN_Minus_2 = null;
}
if(typeof(nextPibling.textContent) !== "undefined") {
nextPibling.textContent = nextPibling.textContent.replace(spaceRightparenOrNbspRegex,"");
if(nextPibling.textContent == "") {
parent.parentElement.removeChild(nextPibling);
}
}
}

parent.removeChild(node);
node = null;
}

This CSS (a portion of the previous CSS attempt) should remove the "See also" romaji (your existing change to the color of links has been preserved).

a:link,
a:visited
{
color: rgb(229 122 58);
}

li span[lang="ja"] ~ span.mention-gloss-paren.annotation-paren, li span[lang="ja"] ~ span.tr {
display: none;
}

DalsoLoonaOT12 (talk) 20:13, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

It seems to be working. Thanks a lot! Arachnosuchus (talk) 13:04, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi again. Would you be so kind to code something for me that also removes transliteration from examples? Arachnosuchus (talk) 13:18, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Proto-Indo-European noun template doesn't show gender

Template ine-noun is broken since 28 May, 2024 and does not show the word's gender. I'm new to template coding and don't know the last editor's intent. Does somebody more experienced know how to fix it? 37.79.13.111 18:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

I think I fixed it. When I edited the code, I left out one of the arguments. I have more experience with template coding, but not a lot. Sorry about that, and I hope others will check my code. Chuck Entz (talk) 20:51, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Add subpage to locked page

I created this page: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Frequency_lists/Cantonese

I want to add it to the "Frequency Lists" section of this locked page: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Frequency_lists

Is this automatically done by the maintainer or do I need to ask somewhere (new to Wiktionary contributions)? LachyMcD (talk) 06:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Deleted Page in Latin

I am new to Wiktionary procedures, so please excuse my ignorance. I looked for an entry for the Latin word "explētīvus", which is listed in LLPSI as Latin for "expletive". But there is no page for it -- it looks like there was a page, but it was deleted. Perhaps by "EncycloPetey". I tried to dig down and find out why, but the entry for that time date seemed to be something entirely different.

Why is there no entry for a normal (I think) part of speech, like the is for "participium" or "coniūnctiō"? Gpaetz (talk) 08:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

At the very least, I can confirm that explētīvus is not a page that we have ever had, but there was an expletivus that was in fact deleted by User:EncycloPetey. That page was just pure junk, so it's not like the term can't have an entry here. If you're familiar with Latin and how to make Latin entries, have at it. As to your question, participium and coniunctio (not coniūnctiō) do exist here. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:31, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

How to search by pronunciation?

Since language is primarily a spoken phenomenon, of which the written forms are but an adjunct, it'd be great to be able to search entries by their IPA transcriptions. Is such a thing possible? If so, how does one do it? PaulTanenbaum (talk) 14:44, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

It’s pretty hacky, but you could run a search like incategory:"English lemmas" insource:tɜːm insource:/\/tɜːm\// to search for English entries with IPA transcription /tɜːm/. (The middle part, insource:tɜːm, isn’t strictly necessary but can make the search run faster.) Replace “English” and both “tɜːm”s above as desired to search for any other term in whatever language you like. — Vorziblix (talk · contribs) 13:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Try a google search for site:en.wiktionary.org tɜːm Justin the Just (talk) 11:47, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

There's also this (replace "fu" with whatever you're searching for) although (probably as with other searching methods) it's exacting and a search for /fu.fu/ will not find /fuˌfu/ or /fufu/, nor vice versa. - -sche (discuss) 06:16, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

-이 for vowels?

Discussion moved to Wiktionary:Tea room.

Can someone explain the purpose of language-prefixed categories versus non-prefixed categories for the same things?

For example: Category:en:Incel community vs. Category:English incel slang. Everything in the first category is "incel slang" too. 2601:644:9083:5730:299E:2A94:6647:A68E 06:01, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

In the general case, the reason why such things sometimes exist is, as the category descriptions say, because one is a topical category for terms relating to a particular topic, and the other is a restricted-usage category for terms only certain people use. In some cases, such categories have very different contents, e.g. if there are lots of terms used by outsiders to refer to topic X, which members of the X community don't use in their own X jargon, and conversely members of the X community have their own slang words for lots of other [non-X-related] topics. In other cases, however, such categories can indeed seem or be quite duplicative (sometimes even to the point that suggesting deleting one of them is worthwhile). Our categorization system unfortunately isn't great at handling that second type of situation. Due to the fact that in the general case "words from any dialect, all relating to a particular topic" and "words from a particular dialect, about any topic" are clearly very different, we have separate types of categories for those two types of things, and they all have subcategories... even when the subcategories get to the point where we're just putting the same ~50 terms in both categories. - -sche (discuss) 06:23, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

August 2024

compromisation

Probably doesn't need to be protected Linkyspoot (talk) 10:50, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Can this word be added?

Some Brazilians mistranslate aprimorar to the verb "aprimorate", which doesn't exist in English. I found many uses of it on Google Scholar and Google Search. I think this accidental gap happens because some Portuguese ar-ending verbs have English cognates (e.g. propagar and propagate). Can that word be added to Wikitionary? Davi6596 (talk) 14:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Please see WT:CFI and WT:ELE to learn more about editing, and what words can be added and how. Also please see WT:About Portuguese. Vininn126 (talk) 14:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

It's a fake English verb that came from Portuguese, but it isn't used in Portuguese, and I read the criteria but am still unsure if it can be added because no native English speaker uses it. But some Brazilians use it in texts written in English, as you can check on Google Scholar. Davi6596 (talk) 14:38, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

The issue of code-switching vs true borrowing is a difficult to measure and much debated subject. Vininn126 (talk) 14:39, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I think this is a case of borrowing (tho it's limited and mistaken) since aprimorar was adapted to look like a Latinate English verb. Davi6596 (talk) 14:46, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

@Koavf What do you think? Sorry if mentioning you isn't allowed, I'm new here. Davi6596 (talk) 23:42, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

It's fine to ping me and since I'm both an admin and someone with some Portuguese competence, it's totally valid to seek me out, but as noted above, this is a pretty tricky case. I'd be in favor of keeping it and finishing all the conjugations but it's probably best to provide some durable sources of the word being used, too. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Just note that I'm talking about "aprimorate" (used by Brazilians in English) and not "aprimorar" (used in Portuguese), so there are few verb conjugations. And the sources are at the Google Scholar and Search links I put. I'll quote some sentences:

• "This paper aims to aprimorate the technic of offshots rooting and preparing of offshoots and verify the effect of progenies and substrates on the rooting of peach palm (Bactris gasipaes Kunth. var. gasipaes Henderson) offshots." https://agris.fao.org/search/en/providers/122436/records/64747f1f79cbb2c2c1b830af, 2010
• "Further research is ongoing to aprimorate the bio aggregate production and evaluate the physical and mechanical properties." https://knowledgecenter.ubt-uni.net/conference/IC/civil/34/, 2023
• "The end of 20th century in Brazil is marked for searches of new ways of management, intending that organization must aprimorate products and services offered, becoming more competitive, aiming major profits, and major financial return to stockholders." https://www.teses.usp.br/teses/disponiveis/12/12139/tde-17052023-145855/en.php, 2000
• "Based on this, such task was guided to study the sulfur adsorption, more precisely in dibenzothiophene (DBT) form, that is present in synthetic lubricant oil (decahydronaphthalene, DHN), with the purpose of evaluating the efficiency of activated carbon bituminous (CAB), as well, of the activated carbon that becomes from the coconut shell (CAC), in grit sizes mesh of 10?14 and 20?30, both the surface modified samples as also in those not modified and, to top and aprimorate the study, there were done tests using real oil" https://repositorio.ufsc.br/handle/123456789/172554, 2016 Davi6596 (talk) 00:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@Vininn126 It's not code-switching, because it's been adapted to English: Portuguese aprimorar has been translated as aprimorate. Theknightwho (talk) 00:29, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

@RodRabelo7: As the most recent native pt-BR speaker with whom I've interacted, do you have a perspective on this? My Portuguese is pretty elementary and it's a mix of Brazilian and European, so I'm hardly an expert. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

It is used as an English verb in English texts, including the gerund (“regional guidelines for aprimorating the clinical management of fungal infections in pediatric patients”^[1]). The relevant question (IMO) is whether the relatively few uses (many more frequent misspelings have no entry) suffice to satisfy the CFI criteria. If included, it can be labeled as {{lb|en|Brazil}}.  --Lambiam 22:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid my knowledge on Wiktionary policies isn't sufficient to help you all with this question. I would nevertheless like to point out that some English phrases have different meanings in Portuguese; see home office and print, for instance. They're probably used every now and then in English texts by Brazilians... Would they satisfy WT:CFI though? RodRabelo7 (talk) 00:42, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

I mean, "aprimorate" could be added to a "Portuglish" appendix or something else that isn't a standard Wikitionary entry. Native English speakers should be able to find the meaning of that word.

But is there someone with more knowledge on Wiktionary policies that can help us? Davi6596 (talk) 02:51, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Let's just create the entry already. The fact it was coined via a mistake doesn't change the fact that it has seen enough use to pass WT:CFI. All this talk of code-switching and misspellings doesn't really make sense, as it's a clear example of Category:Non-native speakers' English. ludopathy is another one from Portuguese, for instance. Theknightwho (talk) 00:28, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

We even add misspellings and misconstructions of a certain frequency, so there is little argument not to add distinct English words particular to those writing from the non-English speaking world, for which we also have a label {{lb|en|NNSE}} relating its misguidedness. The issue wasn’t “code-switching vs true borrowing” but lexicalization vs. just wrong, and we add wrong, facetious, offensive entries, since they happen to be part of some people’s moderately tended lexica. Fay Freak (talk) 01:12, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

How to change the title of an article

This article has a misspelling of "संस्करण", with it being misspelled "संस्कारण" in the article. I'm not exactly sure how to change the title of an article, so can somebody else either teach me or do it for me?

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%A3 B.P. Koirala (talk) 18:52, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

It is possible to move a page and that will rename it, but I'm personally reluctant to do that, since I'm totally ignorant about Hindi. Note that we include variant spellings (color and colour) and occasionally misspellings (teh for the), so are you 100% certain that the current entry is not actually a word at all? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:21, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

I suppose it is fully possible that it's a rarer spelling variant of संस्करण, but its definitely not the most common form. I'll look into it more later to see if I can find it being used in Hindi sources. B.P. Koirala (talk) 20:02, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

धन्यवाद. If necessary, I can contact Hindi-competent editors before moving the page. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Download IPA Pronunciation of Azerbaijani terms/words

Category:Azerbaijani terms with IPA pronunciation

I aspired to download all the words with their pronunciations for my university project. This project entails a teaching Montreal Forced Aligner's acoustic and G2P models for disparate languages, such as the Azerbaijani one as well. For this, I needed to download a large dictionary for make this project work, albeit couldn't find how to download them fully, or partially at all. Could you please lend me the link from where I could scrap these pronunciations?

Thanks in advance.

[2]https://montreal-forced-aligner.readthedocs.io/en/latest/user_guide/workflows/g2p_train.html

[3]https://montreal-forced-aligner.readthedocs.io/en/latest/user_guide/workflows/train_acoustic_model.html Thegamercoder19 (talk) 10:56, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Entry page textbox case

The main lookup textbox at https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page should be reprogrammed to show your word in lowercase by default, not uppercase. If you type in a word without deliberately changing it to lowercase, you often end up with a German noun (capitalized) or a proper name spelled the same way as your desired word. 2603:9000:AC00:5935:7002:E210:AEA6:B99C 18:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

How can I mark the separability of English phrasal verbs?

In English, there are separable phrasal verbs like try on: we can say both "try on the shoes" and "try the new shoes on".

There are also inseparable phrasal verbs like count on: we can say "count on me" but not usually "count me on".

How should I include this information in entries? 185.18.68.65 22:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Currently, there is no standardized way to include this, the Usage notes section is sometimes used to display such information, e.g. turn back, hear out, run into. (Last month, there was a nice proposal to display the correct placement in the headword, although this hasn't been implemented yet.) Einstein2 (talk) 22:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

One could make the argument that only transitive phrasal verbs have this, and verbs such as count on is really just count + prepositional argument on (compare Polish liczyć na kogoś...) Vininn126 (talk) 08:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Interestingly, the separation for count in and count out is obligatory; in (S)VO order one can say “count me in” but not *“count in me”. When pronounced, there is a difference in the stress pattern: COUNT on versus count IN.  --Lambiam 20:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Etymology scriptorium

An year back I posted the origin of a word in Etymology scriptorium. HULLABALOO https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Etymology_scriptorium/2023/August#Hullabaloo

What is the process for moving it to the main page ? (Entry/ Discussion/ Citation) Ajayjo (talk) 17:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

How do I work with inflection-table syntax?

Hello! I noticed the example table in Template:ine-conj-impf (accessible via the "more" button) and wished to include *h₁ésmi as the active voice, first-person singular present indicative form within *h₁ésti. However, after reviewing the documentation, I'm uncertain about how to proceed. Can someone help me? Eduardogobi (talk) 03:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

newly created bot account flagged for anti-abuse measures

hi there - i just created User:ColumbaBushBot and was doing a test run of edits per Wiktionary:Bots

however my bot account has been flagged before i could get started... is there any way the flag can be lifted? ColumbaBush (talk) 21:42, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Per that page, you should get consensus prior to running a bot, so I appreciate that you were just trying to do a test, but an explanation of what you're trying to do and then consensus to do it should happen first. The bot's user page at least gives a hint, but could you show a diff or two from a manual edit that shows what your bot would do so we can give informed consent. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:03, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Justin - Sorry I misunderstood, I was under the impression that i first needed to do a test run "on some 10–50 entries" before requesting bot status at Wiktionary:Votes

Right now the bot account itself is banned from even making manual edits at the moment.

Where do I go from here? Should I should start a convo in Beer parlour and try to get consensus for this bot? ColumbaBush (talk) 22:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I apologize myself: I made it complicated. You are correct that it lists a test run. Let me see why the bot account was unable to edit. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:20, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

This is confusing to me: the bot isn't actually blocked as an account and I don't see any prohibited edits in the abuse log. Which page(s) did you try to edit? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

you're good, so i actually was able to make a manual edit just now https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=%DC%9A%DC%AC%DC%90&diff=prev&oldid=81326284 (previously not allowed) but when i run pywikibot via

python pwb.py template.py 'aii-infl-noun-m-fempl' 'aii-infl-noun/m-fempl' it says

WARNING: You can't edit page en:ܐܬܐ

also - our paths crossed online probably 10-15 years ago, i hope you're doing well ColumbaBush (talk) 22:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Weird. The abuse log for that entry doesn't show anything, so that makes me think that maybe the problem is on the end of the bot itself: that it's somehow misconfigured or is trying to... access the wrong API or something? Sorry, I'm not a Python guy. :/ Maybe they can help at the Grease Pit?

And it's nice to run into you again, friend. "Well" is a strong word, but I am doing, that's for sure. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

thanks so much for your help - i forgot to select "Edit existing pages" under https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:BotPasswords/ so it's working now

glad you are "doing" (sometimes that's all we can hope for) ColumbaBush (talk) 22:45, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Proto-Baltic

Why is a "Category:Proto-Baltic language" page missing, as well as "Category:Proto Baltic lemmas" with nouns, adjectives, numerals, verbs, adverbs etc.?

Moreover, why when I put the etymology in a reconstructed word in Proto-Baltic (a red link), Wiktionary only allows me to create a new page called "Reconstruction:Proto-Balto-Slavic/*..." insted of the correct "Reconstruction:Proto-Baltic/*..."? I am using the correct code for the language, which is 'bat-pro', while Proto-Balto-Slavic is 'ine-bsl-pro'!

I'll make a concrete example:

• Proto-Baltic: *ainas

Now check the red link. Cicognac (talk) 09:26, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't know, but w:Balto-Slavic languages and w:Baltic languages indicate that the existence of a Baltic clade is debated: some linguists (though seemingly not a majority) would consider Baltic a paraphyletic grouping. Wiktionary:About Proto-Balto-Slavic refers to "the uncertainty of the existence of a separate Baltic branch".--Urszag (talk) 09:40, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Should we create pages and categories for Proto-Baltic reconstructions, then? Some reconstructed words are in fact available (many of these sources are in Lithuanian, though, but I can try to translate them since the text can be copied and pasted).

As for the technical issue, I could try to contact somebody else. I mean, PBS and PB are two different proto-languages. Cicognac (talk) 10:13, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

If Baltic is not a clade, then Proto-Baltic never did exist as a separate language from Proto-Balto-Slavic. (This would be the case for example if the split of West and East Baltic occurred around the same time or earlier than the split of Slavic from Baltic.) As far as I can tell, the current position of Wiktionary editors has been to take a conservative stance and avoid reconstructing Proto-Baltic. But we should wait to see what someone actually active in editing these languages says.--Urszag (talk) 11:18, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, in this moment I am among the very few people editing PB (and a bit of PBS) "-.- As far as I know, PB is assumed by the majority to split from PBS and it is intended as a unified language before Western and Easter Baltic languages split, reconstructed through Old Latvian, Old Latganian, Old Lithuanian and Old Prussian (which is scarcely attested but precious). The only one who did a great job in PB in Wikipedia is @Ed1974LT, whom I cooperated with yesterday in improving numberals in PBS and PB (I'll call him on his user talkpage). Another one is @SeriousThinker, @gnosandes (he is not so active recently) and @Rua. We can try to decide whether or not to put new pages about Proto-Baltic reconstructions here. Cicognac (talk) 11:58, 24 August 2024 (UTC)