Category talk:Gay slang by language

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Category:Gay slang by language

First off, "gay" is a pejorative and a bit inaccurate a term, that could be better replaced by the word "homosexual". Secondly, what new information or improvement could this category possibly add that isn't already covered by Category:English slang or Category:Slang by language? Also might want to consider Category:Fandom slang by language and Category:Medical slang by language. TeleComNasSprVen 18:09, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

¶ Comment: the discussion about the Template:gay slang has not yet been resolved. If that is worth mentioning here. --Pilcrow 18:18, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

And Category:Military slang by language, and I don't think gay is in itself pejorative, just it can be used pejoratively. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:38, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

On what planet is "gay" a pejorative? To five year-old school boys, perhaps... As for "homosexual" it is distinctly old-fashioned and totally uninclusive. I would have opted for "queer" but I think we already cover this category at Category:LGBT. ---> Tooironic 00:04, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't think we really cover this at Category:LGBT, in that one is a lexical category (containing slang terms used particularly among LGBT folk) and one is a topical category (containing terms relating to LGBT). There's a lot of overlap, of course — in many languages, most LGBT slang is going to be LGBT-related, since that is what queerfolk will have most needed to coin slang for — but I think it's worth keeping both categories. —Ruakh_TALK 01:16, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Speaking as a gay man, I am offended at the notion that "gay" is pejorative! (That's just me, of course. I'm certain that there exist gays who feel differently; but for what it's worth, my impression is that my view is typical.) Personally, I find "homosexual" O.K. in many contexts, but only in reference to homosexuality proper, not to cultural accessories: in 2011, I find "homosexual slang" awkward at best. However, I have to disagree with Tooironic's preference for "queer": it's an offensive-but-reclaimed term, which means that (for me at least) it only really works in the mouth of someone with perceived in-group status. But "LGBT", as (s)he suggests, seems fine to me. —Ruakh_TALK 01:11, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I too don't think of "gay" as a pejorative word; and I too believe this view is typical. Category:English gay slang is fine (in my opinion). If you guys are going to consider a long and awkward name, then you should note that Category:English homosexual slang is not the most accurate choice. It would be Category:English nonheterosexual slang. --Daniel. 04:21, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

How is "nonheterosexual" more accurate than "homosexual"? As a substitute for "gay", it seems — if anything — less accurate, since "gay" is arguably narrower than "homosexual" (lesbians are clearly homosexual, but often not considered "gay"), whereas "nonheterosexual" is clearly broader (since it includes also bisexuals and perhaps asexuals). As I noted, "LGBT" — which is broader yet — seems fine to me, but I don't see how we can describe one or another name as more "accurate", since the name itself will determine the content of the categories! —Ruakh_TALK 23:30, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

I would prefer to call it LGBT slang, because it encompasses the broadest possible sense. Gay slang, even if it refers to men and women, still leaves out transgenders and (probably) bisexuals. —CodeCat 23:59, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

I'd say keep this one, cuz the gay men have... metric tons of slang. Even if this category were made to include slang of lesbians and transexuals and everyone else in the queerworld, it'd probably be dominated by the slang of the gay men. — [ R·I·C ] Laurent —

Keep but I prefer LGBT slang as well; the fact that it would be 'dominated' by gay slang doesn't seem to be a problem to me. --Mglovesfun (talk) 10:23, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Kept. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:00, 8 August 2012 (UTC)