Category talk:Translation requests (Norwegian)
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We currently treat Norwegian Nynorsk and Norwegian Bokmål as separate languages, and yet this category has many more entries than Category:Translation requests (Norwegian Bokmål) and Category "Translation requests (Norwegian Nynorsk) combined. I understand that there may be dialectal forms that belong to neither, but it seems obvious to me that most of these were added with Bokmål in mind, and pretty much all of the rest with Nynorsk intended. After all, requesting a Norwegian translation won't get you a dialectal form unless there's some way to ask for it specifically.
The first part should be to change all the current requests to Bokmål and/or Nynorsk and try to find some way to discourage or prevent people from adding the requests. Then we can talk about deleting or deprecating the plain Norwegian category.
I would think the most painless method would be to change the code for {{ttreq}} or whatever it calls to intercept the language code "no" and replace it with "nb", or to create two categories, one for "nb" and one for "nn". This would have to be at a higher level than the language lookup, because there are are some other templates that we still no doubt want to allow to have "no"-based output.
This is bound to be a bit messy and/or controversial, so I'd like to encourage other suggestions. Chuck Entz (talk) 22:58, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose. "Norwegian" is also treated as a language; its code
{{no}}is ever-present in Module:languages, and many entries use ==Norwegian== headers. I have thought for a long time that we should un-split Nynorsk and Bokmal, the opposite of what you suggest. (Alternatively, we could split US and Indian English, which are about as distinct, and put an end to the occasional bickering about whether words should end in '-our' or '-or', etc.) - -sche (discuss) 00:19, 10 March 2014 (UTC)- I think that the two language should be merged, mainly because the two forms are primarily different in writing and not actual pronunciation or vocabulary. There are some vocabulary differences, but of course plenty of people will use vocabulary present in neither standard. And I'm pretty sure that a Norwegian will pronounce a word the same in their own speech whether they write it with Bokmål or Nynorsk spelling. —CodeCat 00:36, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
- The fact that "no" is not allowed as a language code, makes it difficult to use accelerated method to add translations to
{{trreq|no}}or{{trreq|Norwegian}}. I support merging Nynorsk and Bokmål. We could use{{cx|Nynorsk|lang=no}}/{{cx|Bokmål|lang=no}}+ subcategories of Norwegian. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 02:28, 12 March 2014 (UTC)- I have removed the code that blocked the addition of 'no' translations. They should never have been blocked, even by people who want to retain Nynorsk and Bokmål as separate languages, because we as a descriptivist dictionary allow dialectal Norwegian words as translations (and these words, since they are not Nynorsk nor Bokmål, must use 'no' rather than 'nb' or 'nn'). - -sche (discuss) 01:07, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
- The fact that "no" is not allowed as a language code, makes it difficult to use accelerated method to add translations to
- See Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2014/March#Stop_treating_Nynorsk_and_Bokmal_as_languages_separate_from_Norwegian. - -sche (discuss) 03:57, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
- Closed with no action taken one way or the other. A vote on the subject showed that there was no consensus regarding whether to have "Norwegian" or "Bokmal"+"Nynorsk", so we still have all three. - -sche (discuss) 02:48, 22 January 2015 (UTC)