Talk:air resistance

RFD discussion: December 2020–April 2021

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air resistance

See also: Requests_for_deletion/Non-English

SoP. Delete. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 21:13, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

• Keep. I see some value in retaining it, it is being used as a translations hub, and appears in at least one other dictionary. Apart from that, voting for deletion of the French word is not 100% in favour of that. DonnanZ (talk) 09:30, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @Donnanz: This is not a translation hub term, since all (SoP) translations will literally mean the same thing. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 03:26, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
• Keep — Dentonius 09:42, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

  Vote is stricken. Imetsia (talk) 19:15, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

• Delete, SOP: compare water resistance. PUC – 19:23, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

We can't compare with a non-existent entry. Wikipedia mentions fluid resistance. DonnanZ (talk) 15:22, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

• Keep, beside the Lexico lemming mentioned by Donnanz there's another one at MacMillan. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 20:04, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
• Keep, helpful for learners.--Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 13:07, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @Karaeng Matoaya: How is this helpful for learners? Is the combination of these two words somehow unusual? Or is it helpful to learn the concept (which is encyclopedia material)? --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 03:26, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
    • @Atitarev: it's an extremely common collocation, and I'm not convinced that we would still think it's SOP without a prior knowledge of physics. Just to add to the lemming argument, the Oxford English Dictionary also has an entry for it under "air" ("air resistance n. the resistance of air to a moving body; cf. wind resistance").--Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 04:35, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
      • @Karaeng Matoaya: I understand what you're trying to say, it's an important concept, like Korean 공기저항 (空氣抵抗, gonggijeohang) (I wouldn't create entries but someone will) but I don't think it's a lexical unit or a word. A chemical formula may be very different from a physical formula, mathematical formula or programmatical formula but they are just different types of formulas, understood by the qualifiers. — This unsigned comment was added by Atitarev (talk • contribs) at 04:57, 15 December 2020‎ (UTC).
      • The only limitation to collocations is the number of media that someone or something moves through. It's not just air, it's wind, water, waves, mud, soil (while plowing), snow (while skiing) and probably one or two others. There's also the resistance of a substance to being moved through something (in discussing of piping and pumps), and resistance of a barrier to penetration by a substance, which might not be the same sense. Any time you have something moving relative to something else it's in contact with you can talk about [x] resistance. Which kind of resistance you're talking about is specified by the context. If, hypothetically, I was talking about swimming through pudding, "pudding resistance", would make perfect sense. Chuck Entz (talk) 15:39, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
        • I think you are correct that in theory there are many collocations, but in practice a small few seem to greatly predominate, and in other cases I think it can be more natural to use another phrasing. For example, if I was talking about the resistance of wood to, let's say, having a nail hammered through it, I can't imagine that I would refer to "wood resistance". I would say e.g. "the resistance of the wood". Leaning Keep. Mihia (talk) 20:55, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

  @Karaeng Matoaya It doesn't detract from your reason, but note that a double lemming applies, too. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 11:16, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. Imetsia (talk) 16:06, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. I'm not actually sure whether this is an argument for keeping or deleting, or neither, but just noting that there is another type of "resistance" that can be meant in such compounds, i.e. "ability to withstand". water resistance could mean either, while e.g. oil resistance is more often used in the "withstand" sense, and air resistance could hardly or very rarely be used in the "withstand" sense. Mihia (talk) 14:48, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
• Keep by the same rationale as on the French discussion. I don't think sense 2 on resistance, which is rather vaguely worded ("force that tends to oppose motion"), covers this usage. Usually this refers to "resistance to being moved", e.g. of a valve being turned or a donkey being pulled by the reins, not "resistance to being traversed", and I'm not even sure that sense is needed -- isn't this just one application of sense 1? Act of resisting {being killed}("no signs of resistance")/{being moved}/{being governed} ("resistance movement")/etc.. In any case, that entry should be disambiguated if this term is deleted. I'd also like to reiterate my opinion that we shouldn't deliberately make our site less useful out of a desire to follow rules.__Gamren (talk) 18:45, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
• Comment: I'm not convinced that this kind of combination is productive, collocations like "soil resistance" or "treacle resistance" sound weird to me. I'll buy water resistance and fluid resistance but not others. gas resistance seems to come in ohms. — This unsigned comment was added by Troll Control (talk • contribs) at 19:50, 15 December 2020 (UTC). Well OK I found "sand resistance" in use so maybe others can be formed. Troll Control (talk) 19:56, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 23:49, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
• Keep, even though WT:THUB does not in fact apply here. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 15:46, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
• Keep, I've decided, an unusual structure, pretty much non-productive. Troll Control (talk) 19:04, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. Apparently covered, particularly for the purpose of translations, by the sense “(physics) A force that tends to oppose motion”, and additional danger of clutter has been proven by showing the multitude of combinations. Fay Freak (talk) 11:29, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
• Delete as SOP, regardless of how many or how few terms can replace "air" here. Ultimateria (talk) 18:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Keep - common set phrase. "air drag", "atmospheric friction", etc. just not common layman's terms. Facts707 (talk) 18:08, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

RFD-kept by no consensus. Imetsia (talk) 19:15, 2 April 2021 (UTC)