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child bride

Definition: "A very young bride." That's SoP and if anything less helpful than the simple words.--Prosfilaes 03:31, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

This term has a very specific connotation when used in the media, it refers largely to islamic and moron [mormon] child marriages where a girl is married to a much older man, often against their will, this is a richer meaning that [than] you would get from say kid+groom71.142.73.25 08:23, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Did you mean moron or Mormon? Both fit in the context somehow... —Angr 09:16, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Funny enough, they did. But yes I meant mormon.71.142.73.25 22:29, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Keep as amended.--Dmol 09:51, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Because 71.142.73.25 mentioned the media, which I took to mean the news media, I checked http://news.google.com for the term. the first result (here, now, for me) was an article about "Hollywood child bride Courtney Stodden". (There were other results about her also.) So it doesn't only mean someone "coerced or pressured into nuptials with a much older man in a conservative culture". Is it ever used to mean that, to the exclusion of other brides who are children? (E.g., a book that distinguishes "child brides" — who are those pressured into marriage in a conservatve culture — from brides who are children.) If (as I suspect) not, then the definition should be reverted to "a very young bride" and IMO it should be deleted.​—msh210℠ (talk) 23:25, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Then that's a separate definition that would be sum of parts. As it stands it is a valid meaning.--Dmol 23:43, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Why don't we have a more-specific "an organism of the species Prunus persica" sense for (deprecated template usage) tree, but only a broader "large plant" sense, whereas we have both the more-specific "line of connected cars with a locomotive" and the broader "sequence of vehicles" sense at (deprecated template usage) train? Because there are citations that support it: specifically, there are citations that use train to mean a line of connected cars with a locomotive, to the exclusion of any other sequence of vehicles: they say things like "take a train or a caravan" or the like. If there are citations saying "a tree or any other kind of large thing bearing fruit" (where by tree they meant what we call a peach tree), then we should have a separate "Prunus persica" sense for tree. (I highly doubt that that's the case.) If there are citations saying "a child bride or other bride who's a child" (where by child bride they meant someone coerced into marriage in a conservative culture) then we should have a separate "coerced into marriage in a conservative culture" sense for child bride. (I also doubt that that's the case.)​—msh210℠ (talk) 00:16, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

The first hit child bride gets on bgc is Child Bride: The Untold Story of Priscilla Beaulieu Presley. (Interestingly enough, she was 22 when she married Elvis.) I don't see that this is a separate definition, instead of a common use of the normal meaning.--Prosfilaes 07:56, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

In this case, "child bride" must surely be idiomatic, since a 22 year-old is hardly a child. ---> Tooironic 11:25, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Seriously? On BGC I find "Children remain eligible for TRICARE benefits while they're in college up to age 23"[1]. Child is a pretty elastic word.--Prosfilaes 03:58, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Another BGC hit is Sister of the Bride by Beverly Cleary, where the bride is 18-years old. '"My child bride," he [the groom] teased.'[2]--Prosfilaes 07:59, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Probably keep per Prosfilaes. --Mglovesfun (talk) 11:27, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

But the definition was "A very young bride". If you want, we can argue about its SOPness, but IMO that depends solely on whether child generally is used for contextually relatively young people who are not strictly children in the usual sense.​—msh210℠ (talk) 00:20, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

If we're having an argument about what child bride actually means, I think it's worth keeping. DAVilla 05:12, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

That;s a really good point, I agree.Lucifer 00:23, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Kept. — Ungoliant ^(Falai) 21:15, 12 August 2012 (UTC)