Talk:daartevoren

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daartevoren, ertevoren, hiertevoren, waartevoren

This is a family of four related adverbs (compounds of "there", "here", "where"). I can only find results for "hier tevoren" and such (with a space, which would be an alternative spelling), and they all seem to be from very old texts, several hundred years ago. Are there any modern attestations, or any without the space? The latter two entries don't exist, but they appear in translation tables so they should be deleted from there if not attested. —CodeCat 22:58, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

The language indicated in Wiktionary for the first two entries is Dutch.

• google books:"daartevoren" yields hits confirming the existence of the form. The first three hits are the following: [1] (1801), [2] (1856), [3] (1896?). Clicking further hits in the search shows occurrences written solid, without a space. Thus, the first word is easily attested as obsolete or archaic.
• google books:"ertevoren" seems to only find non-Dutch hits including Norwegian ones, and Dutch hits with spaces.
• google books:"hiertevoren" seems to find attesting Dutch hits, such as this: [4], [5], [6].
• google books:"waartevoren" finds only two hits, both Dutch, one written solid: [7].

--Dan Polansky (talk) 08:21, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

I've added some citations for daartevoren and hiertevoren, and 1 for waartevoren.

The Koninklijke Bibliotheek (National Library of the Netherlands) has some interesting Dutch digital archives, like:

• newspapers: [8]
• magazines: [9]
• books: [10]

But using those archives too, waartevoren and ertevoren still don't seem citable. -- Curious (talk) 18:08, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't think that is a very big problem. In Dutch, these "pronominal adverbs" always appear by four (see {{nl-pronadv-table}} as well) so I think the existence of some of them implies the existence of the rest as well. Pretty similar to how the existence of an English verb form ending in -s also implies another form ending in -ed. Thank you for your work! —CodeCat 18:57, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

ertevoren and waartevoren failed, though I can’t find the occurence waartevoren so I assume it has already been removed. Other two passed. — Ungoliant ^(Falai) 11:26, 12 September 2013 (UTC)