Talk:seder

Bzzzt!

First, Seder and Passover are not the same, and Passover should not be redirected to Seder. Passover is a Jewish and Christian holiday. Seder is Hebrew for "order". There are other Sedarim, though the Passover Seder is best known.

Actually, I'm not sure if there are other sidarim in the sense of Passover Seder. But, as shown in the article, the term does have other meanings, and in any case Seder refers to the meal, not the entire holiday. -dmh 21:03, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Second, there is no particular reason to believe that the Last Supper was a Passover Seder. Most likely it was just an ordinary Shabbat.

Third, Christian communion comes directly from the Shabbat meal, in which bread and wine are blessed and consumed. Shabbat and communion are weekly. Passover is annual -dmh 20:12, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I spoke a bit quickly there. The Biblical accounts are unclear whether the Last Supper was a Seder or not, and arguments can be made either way. It's also not right to say that Communion comes directly from Shabbat. It clearly comes from the Biblical accounts of the Last Supper. Nonetheless, the ritual bears a significant resemblance to the traditional Shabbat meal and practically none to the Passover Seder. One can speculate on the reasons for this, but it's only speculation.

In short, the original entry was still basically wrong: Seder is not the same as Passover, and Holy Communion is not based on Seder. It is based on the Last Supper, which (depending on which account you read and how you read it), took place just before or during Passover. But I also went overboard in responding to it. -dmh 15:31, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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seder#Portuguese

Misspelling of homophone ceder (synonym and cognate of English cede). Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV 22:14, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

I guess I should provide some evidence:

• A search for seder in google.pt yields sêder (= seder#English, in Judaism).
• A search for "verbo seder" autocorrects it to "verbo ceder".
• No entry in the Portuguese Wiktionary ([1]).
• No entry in major Portuguese online dictionaries. [2], [3], [4], [5].
• No entry in my paper dictionary. (Minidicionário da língua portuguesa Silveira Bueno, 2000).

Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV 14:39, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Delete, uncommon misspelling. Mglovesfun (talk) 14:43, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

RFD failed. — Ungoliant ^(Falai) 03:25, 11 August 2012 (UTC)