Talk:vale
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First POS missing etym heading. – Jberkel 22:54, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
- Did a little work. Is it good now? --SanctMinimalicen (talk) 23:16, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks. Are there really three different etymologies? It looks like they all derive from valer, valeō. – Jberkel 08:09, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah, I was debating back and forth within myself about that. What is unambiguous is Etymology 1 (the IOU comes from the Spanish verb es|valer), and Etymology 3 (the valediction comes from Latin {l|la|valē}. Etymology 2 is really a redundancy, but it's infinitive form (valer did come from Latin. Do we usually include etymological information for inflections, which may be found easily at the lemma entry?
- The other catch has to do with the Spain "okay" definition. I couldn't find decisive etymological reasoning for that usage, which it comes from the Latin greeting or from the verb meaning "it's worth/it suffices". It's unclear whether the Spanish usage and the Mexican "sale y vale" usage are actually related; the latter is clearly derived from Etymology 3 (cf. salvē & valē). What do you think? --SanctMinimalicen (talk) 12:59, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks. Are there really three different etymologies? It looks like they all derive from valer, valeō. – Jberkel 08:09, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
- It's (unavoidably) conceptually messy, but I think it looks okay now. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 10:16, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Spanish "vale" = okay!, yes!, fine![edit]
Does anyone know since when this expression has been attested? At face value, of course, it means "it's valid". And to be celar: This derivation is entirely and perfectly satisfying! Nevertheless the word does remind one of Arabic بَلَى (balā, emphatic "yes"), Persian بله (bale, “yes”). Now if it's very recent, this must be considered nothing but a curious coincidence; but if fairly old, there could be a relation after all. 88.65.40.59 22:56, 1 September 2022 (UTC)