PB& JP89

While I certainly agree that PBP can be very annoying and full of... himself, I don't think your current way of responding is a good idea. It's bad enough to have him whining about trivialities- do you really want to give him verifiable harassment and even abuse for ammunition?

You have a lot in common with Equinox, who is also a tremendous asset to Wiktionary (the best ever with English-language entries, as far as I'm concerned), but is, like you, very thin-skinned in dealing with stupidity. He was so obsessive over Luciferwildcat that he ended up doing something really stupid and getting de-sysopped for a while.

LW, like Pass a Method, was a good illustration of the blind spot Wiktionary has in dealing with sincere incompetence- PBP can't hold a candle to him with respect to sheer stupidity and bad lexical judgment. I personally believe he only lasted as long as he did because of discomfort with the abuse he received from people like Dick Laurent early on. PBP is only mediocre as an editor (he's improved, some), but is the worst I've ever seen as far as w:Dunning-Kruger effect-fueled self-righteousness in discussions.

At any rate, your current course of action is likely to result in your being de-sysopped, and PBP still being around to crow about it- do you really want that?

I think editing his signature and replacing it with unsigned is a best just plain stupid, at worst dishonest and an attempt to annoy him and other people. Why do you want to annoy the rest of us? It's not just you and him that read talk pages you know.

It had no link to his user page, which you might have missed amongst the fancy mark-up. So it barely qualified as a signature at all. It was not me who blew this out of proportion. Though I kind of agree with what you both wrote.

My question for you: how much more of these shenanigans are you willing to tolerate? In a few months, PBP is going to find another excuse for a witch hunt. Are you going to just let him?

It's a lot easier dealing with someone crying wolf if you don't have someone standing there in a wolf costume making howling noises. We'll burn that bridge when we come to it...

This is not an answer.

I think what Chuck is saying is that you've given me ample cause to be upset with you and demand that you hand over your tools

Where did that come from? You do know that the Jedi Mind Trick is just a plot device in a movie, right? If I had wanted to say that, I would have said it.

It's blatantly clear from me from this thread alone that Kephir doesn't see any problem with his edits. That in itself is a really big problem, in addition to those edits themselves. What he seems to be saying is that any means necessary should be used to get me off this project, even ways that bend or break the rules.

To the contrary. This thread convinced me that your indefinite ban should be enacted by a community-wide vote. In which I only plan to be involved by making sure you will not derail it like you did with the last thread on BP to block you.

Of course, you can still avoid all that. For starters, you could stop spilling drama on talk pages of every single person who disagrees with you, acknowledge that this project has different norms from Wikipedia and try to understand and/or accommodate those norms. Stop editing purely on spite, stop watching people's contributions lists for every perceived misconduct. Getting rid of that silly page would be a good gesture of goodwill.

Otherwise, expect a vote to ban you forever, in which you will have no say.

(Whoever wishes to do the deed, please let me know.)

I'm wondering Kephir if this is an attempt to get de-sysopped. A bit like when you want the other person to dump you, if you behave badly enough they'll do it. If User:Purplebackpack89/Wiktionary:Votes/2015-01/De-sysoping Kephir were an actual vote tomorrow, would you support it or oppose it?

Why do you ask?

seriously? You're threatening him over creating a vote?

Everyone here has the right to create a vote and it's up to the community to accept it or not. And you won't prevent it as long as I am here. And don't even think about banning him because of it. I have good connections to Wikimedia stewards. You have been warned.

"I have good connections to Wikimedia stewards. You have been warned."

How many more people have you threatened this way? Is this why you have not been desysopped yet? Because that would explain a lot.

And no, I am not going to ban him over this vote. I do not have to. There is plenty of other abuse to pick from.

Threatened? I laugh at thee.

I outright desysopped Ivan Stambuk via stewards. He was not amused. If that's what you want, then I can arrange that, sure.

There is only one vote here granting him adminship. There is no evidence in the logs or anywhere else of him ever being stripped of rights. I also looked at other wikis where he substantially edited, nothing there either. By Occam's razor, I infer you are lying.

Though in case you are not, I wonder what the supposed reason would be for that happening.

Lying or not, for that remark alone, I think a vote of confidence on your adminship is in order. I can also submit myself to one if the community so wishes.

Oh sorry, I confused him with Dick Laurent. He was desysopped by me in 2010. And it won't show up on the local logs because it shows up on the Meta logs only as a steward action.

I wish both of you would stop this! I disagree with many of Kephir's actions, and I find many of PBPs extremely annoying, but I would prefer to avoid things like blocks and desysopping. Threats- whether idle or otherwise- are just poisoning the atmosphere and escalating things.

As the philosopher Jagger once said, “You can't always get what you want.”

I too find this situation regrettable. But it is not going to be solved by doing nothing. The atmosphere is already poisoned, and tolerating this state of affairs is precisely what brought us here.

You said "We'll burn that bridge when we come to it...", but you know this is not going to happen. You have seen this already.