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aWa320:33, 16 December 2014
IPA for words ending in -odporny112:02, 14 December 2014
Your habit of removing threats211:15, 14 December 2014
Module:tagged but not listed118:20, 3 December 2014
RFDO comment221:10, 1 December 2014
Horemheb article812:29, 30 November 2014
Polish noun templates - tantum parameter421:39, 17 November 2014
New edition with English definition108:28, 17 November 2014
Redirecting templates117:05, 10 November 2014
sorry118:53, 6 November 2014
Having an e-mail address223:19, 1 November 2014
Template:cy-adj117:49, 28 October 2014
Overriding italics for a portion of a style008:02, 15 October 2014
xte bug111:42, 11 October 2014
Bug in translation fixing tool113:44, 5 October 2014
Template:pl-decl-noun-sing - automatic category116:58, 2 October 2014
Stop!418:49, 29 September 2014
Template:ttbc breaking212:00, 27 September 2014
Preferences links for anons010:56, 19 September 2014
Template:R:PWN410:47, 14 September 2014
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Your aWa script is very helpful in keeping the size of RFD &c. down, but when archiving old discussions, for example [1], it gives overlong commit messages, with the effect that we can only see whither the first four discussions are archived. Could you please find a solution for this?

ObsequiousNewt (ἔβαζα|ἐτλέλεσα)19:47, 16 December 2014

Which would be? If you know enough about programming to use "commit message" to refer to an edit summary, I think you can come up with a solution yourself.

Keφr19:53, 16 December 2014

Whoops, heh. Yeah, I meant edit summary. I asked because it was your script, but the solutions I see are either limiting the script to make only a certain number of archivings at once, or else leaving a link to the archived discussion on the RFD page. Do either of these sound acceptable?

ObsequiousNewt (ἔβαζα|ἐτλέλεσα)20:09, 16 December 2014

My script? Oh please. I seriously need to hand it over to someone else.

The latter would probably defeat the point of archiving (since you have to later edit these links out anyway).

The former would require either limiting the number of discussions the user can pick (which is inconvenient) or the saving part of the script to undergo a nontrivial re-write. Which it might be in need of anyway, so maybe.

Keφr20:33, 16 December 2014
 
 
 

IPA for words ending in -odporny

Can you check the IPA for words such as żaroodporny, idiotoodporny, etc. which I added recently? I think these can be pronounced either with a glottal stop between the double o's, or with a long vowel - I'm not sure how to represent the second possibility in IPA.

Tweenk (talk)05:20, 14 December 2014

They look fine to me. Though you might want to ask someone else.

I am not so sure -odoprny is a suffix in the first place, though.

Keφr12:02, 14 December 2014
 

Your habit of removing threats

Your habit of removing threats from your talk page is objectionable.

Dan Polansky (talk)10:59, 14 December 2014

I think removing threats from talk pages is perfectly fine.

Keφr11:02, 14 December 2014

Oops, threads.

Dan Polansky (talk)11:15, 14 December 2014
 
 

Module:tagged but not listed

On December 9th, a software update is going to break Module:tagged but not listed (specifically, the part of it that uses unstrip to get a DPL result). Unless you manage to get mw:Extension:DynamicPageListEngine deployed, that module will probably become worthless.

Jackmcbarn (talk)16:11, 3 December 2014
 

RFDO comment

Re this, huh? What are you concerned about? Have I been doing something wrong?

 — I.S.M.E.T.A.20:36, 1 December 2014

Well, I was referring to that thread about WT:WANTED where I opined that you are not very good at prioritising requests.

On the other hand, I realise it might not have been very tactful to criticise you about a thing you already promised to address. Maybe I should have shut up and waited until there are actual results to comment on. Consider this a half-hearted apology.

Keφr21:01, 1 December 2014

No apology necessary, but thanks. :-) I just don't want to piss anyone off unnecessarily, and given that I "rate" you as an editor on here, I would particularly like not to piss you off.

 — I.S.M.E.T.A.21:10, 1 December 2014
 
 

Horemheb article

Why did you delete my Horemheb article there is on English Wiktionary Tutankhamon and Ramesses articles?

Xand2 (talk)11:09, 30 November 2014

I want you to spend some time reading Wiktionary:Entry layout explained. You were putting all the information in the wrong places, while we are quite strict about formatting here. Level-two headers are reserved for language names. English is not written in hieroglyphs, so the hieroglyphs do not belong under an English part-of-speech header. And so on. If you wish to raise objections or concerns about our entry layout, you may visit, say, the Information desk. Or Beer parlour.

Also, Wiktionary:About Egyptian may be of interest to you.

Also, there are no articles here. There are entries.

Keφr11:13, 30 November 2014

Etymology of words like from Latin and Greek are written in languages of origin for example fossil is Lat. fodere, fossus -to dig + il -of, related to, energy Gr. en -in + ergon -work, Gr. symbol sym, syn -together, with + ballein, ballo -to throw, edit Lat. e, ex -out, from + dare, datus -to give, avatar Sanskrit ava -down + tr, tara -to cross, cakra -wheel Sanskrit cr -to move + kr -to do.

I didnt't write articles just words, names and etymology, there is also here Tutankhamon entry and some gods like Ra which are names.

Xand2 (talk)11:23, 30 November 2014

I failed to understand what you wrote.

Keφr11:44, 30 November 2014

I wanted to say that it is OK to put languages of origin in etymology just look at this articles:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/avatar

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/energy

Xand2 (talk)11:48, 30 November 2014

Entries. Well, yes, of course. We usually use {{etyl}} for that (though practice varies).

Keφr12:00, 30 November 2014
 
 
 
 
 

Polish noun templates - tantum parameter

Would it be a lot of work to add a parameter called tantum to the existing Polish noun templates, taking s or p as its value, so that e.g. {{pl-decl-noun-ja|korupc|tantum=s}} would work just like {{pl-decl-noun-sing|korupcja|korupcji|korupcji|korupcję|korupcją|korupcji|korupcjo}}?

This would reduce the amount of work needed to add singular-only and plural-only words.

Tweenk (talk)19:52, 17 November 2014

I had the same idea for the longest time (except I named the argument |num=)… but I never really got around to implement it.

Anyway, it works now for {{pl-decl-noun-ja}}. If someone moves the rest of the specialised declension patterns into Module:pl-noun (and switches templates to use that module), they shall start supporting it too.

Keφr20:28, 17 November 2014

Seems to work, with the exception that [[category:Polish singularia tantum]] is not added.

Tweenk (talk)20:55, 17 November 2014

Fixed.

Keφr20:57, 17 November 2014
 
 

Regarding conversions: {{pl-decl-noun-nie}} should not be converted just yet. I need to check whether there are any remaining users of |num= first.

Keφr21:39, 17 November 2014
 

New edition with English definition

Hi, Please let me know whether my new edition is appropriate or not. Thanks.

Viethoc (talk)23:25, 16 November 2014

Passable, I would say… it would be nice to linkify the definition, though. I could complain that the definition is vague, but I guess Hanzi are just that way.

Keφr08:28, 17 November 2014
 

Redirecting templates

When you do things like this, make sure to fix double redirects.

WikiTiki8916:54, 10 November 2014

Thanks for doing that for me. :P

Keφr17:05, 10 November 2014
 

but the msg could seems quite generic since I imagine (I might make a mistake, of course) that, when the specific exception thrown on the validation against the schema is catched, a specific alert could be doc.written by the code in the catch block, couldn't it?

Ulisse0 (talk)18:12, 6 November 2014

There is no real "schema" or "exceptions", there is only Special:AbuseFilter/1. So what if "the msg could seems quite generic"? The filters are designed to rather fail to catch bad edits instead of giving false positives, so if you get a warning, there is probably a very good reason for that. If you cannot understand why you get an error, just ask.

And please keep discussions in one place.

Keφr18:53, 6 November 2014
 

Having an e-mail address

Hi. Thanks for being a voice of sanity around here, at least as far as I'm concerned. Why are you not mailable (Special:EmailUser/Kephir)? Wiktionary:Administrators#Notes suggests we have to do this, though I am not sure how often it matters to anyone.

Equinox 22:26, 1 November 2014

Good to know I am succeeding at something (in at least one person's eyes…)

I just never bothered to set up an address under this identity. Main problem being the choice of provider. I am not very enthusiastic about having a Google account, and I have used up most other viable alternatives already. It does bite me from time to time (like when I am unable to participate in Bugzilla), but not to the point of me doing anything about it.

Oh well. You need it for anything? The quasi-policy by itself does not bother me too much. (Is there any policy besides WT:ELE that we treat seriously here?)

Keφr23:15, 1 November 2014

Ah, not the reason I expected! I mainly find myself annoyed by systems that *don't* accept e-mail and require something else (e.g. Facebook or other proprietary non-standard system). If you're genuinely having trouble finding a free (throwaway or otherwise) mail account then you're welcome to have one on one of my domains; I've had some of them for about 15 years now, scarily enough, so they tend to stay around.

I don't need it for anything but I had considered sending you an e-mail :) Lucky escape.

Equinox 23:19, 1 November 2014
 
 

Hey, thanks for your edit to the Welsh adjective template, but it's broken when it takes the "mwy" parameter; see awchus for example.

Aɴɢʀ (talk)13:34, 28 October 2014

Ugh. That stupid "embolden self-links" misfeature. Fixed.

Keφr17:49, 28 October 2014
 

Overriding italics for a portion of a style

Some taxonomic names that are mostly italicized have a portion that ideally should not be italicized, terms that occur between the italicized words, eg, subsp., var., morph, form, sect., subg., etc). I cannot figure out how to achieve this with the taxonomic templates ({{taxon}}, {{taxlink}}, and {{taxoninfl}}) as they are now. I tried pipes with both wikiformatting and the HTML "i" tag. I wonder whether the formatting built in to the template (style "biota"?) overrides any such formatting. Is there a simple way to change this? The scores of thousands of uses of these template mostly appear correctly except for this detail, which affects fewer than two thousand template uses, I think. It is most meaningful probably for the inflection-line template, with perhaps 100-200 template uses with those preferably un-italicized terms.

DCDuring TALK16:33, 14 October 2014

It seems to have trouble recognizing Jèrriais- cadaver for example.

DTLHS (talk)03:10, 10 October 2014

Fixed.

Keφr11:42, 11 October 2014
 

Bug in translation fixing tool

It seems that it's still using language templates, even though they've long been deprecated. See per annum for example.

CodeCat12:11, 27 April 2014

No, it does not. I think I typed {{subst:fi}} manually out of habit. Sigh. And it was me who created {{\}} as a replacement…

Keφr15:21, 27 April 2014
 

Template:pl-decl-noun-sing - automatic category

Can you modify pl-decl-noun-sing so that it automatically adds category:Polish singularia tantum? Given what Template:label does, this must be possible, but I don't know any Lua.

Same for pl-decl-noun-pl.

Tweenk (talk)00:35, 1 October 2014

After some hesitation, done.

Keφr16:58, 2 October 2014
 

Please stop subtracting valid requests. It makes you look paranoid and it annoys people.

Romanophile (talk)15:22, 29 September 2014

…I do not follow.

Keφr15:49, 29 September 2014

See this and evaluate this revision. But more importantly, reevaluate this revision, and ask yourself why Pass a Method would ‘joke’ like that. She or he is probably feeling depressed.

Romanophile (talk)15:55, 29 September 2014

The only items that can remotely be considered valid hits on that list are "Atheists do not worship the god Athe." or "Atheism is a highly secretive religion devoted to private worship of the ultimate, all powerful god Athe.". Which kind of speaks for itself: there is practically no such word. Unless you define it as "{{label|en|humorous}} hypothetical deity supposedly worshipped by atheists" with a trivial back-formation etymology. (Did I really just explain an obvious groaner to you?) Though if you really think it should be included, you could add the entry with this (or similar) definition yourself and not clutter the already-overloaded list of requests.

Maybe if you read Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2014/March#Recent edits to US location entries, you will understand why. Though then, if I have to explain puns to you, maybe you will not.

Keφr17:08, 29 September 2014

I’m not interested in fighting over the inclusion of a silly word. But concerning Pass a Method, holy FUCK, mate! The topic was SIX! BLOODY! MONTHS ago! How typical of you lot to obstinately hold onto your grudges. If you think that the name is ‘silly,’ it is of no consequence to the project. Please restore the request.

Romanophile (talk)18:49, 29 September 2014
 
 
 
 

I'm not sure why, but pages that use this template have started breaking. Not only are unwanted categories now appearing on the page (specifically, categories for languages that don't exist on Wiktionary), but all translation boxes after the one containing the template get broken. They're also triggering invisible module errors.

Could you have a look at this?

CodeCat23:15, 26 September 2014

Breaking template boxes has been fixed (it seems to be an unrelated regression in Scribunto, which hit Module:ugly hacks). Adding nonexistent categories for nonexistent languages is expected. The module errors… see for yourself.

Keφr06:45, 27 September 2014

Ok, I fixed that error too. Thank you.

CodeCat12:00, 27 September 2014
 
 

Preferences links for anons

What preferences do we let anons have? I thought the idea was for them not to have much because we want folks to register.

Please answer on my page as I hate LiquidThreads to the extent of simply not following any page with it activated. Is there a way that someone like me could watch the page of a LT user and respond the old-fashioned way without all the glitz? (I have had to erase my four tildes after every sentence I have written in this post.)

DCDuring TALK10:56, 19 September 2014

Template:R:PWN

FYI, I have created Template:R:PWN and placed it to a couple of pages. Should you have an issue with the template, please let me know.

Dan Polansky (talk)10:27, 14 September 2014

I see you added quotation marks. I won't remove them, but note they are not used in some of the most popular reference templates. I think it was Robert Ullman who opined that the quotations marks are excessive typography given the color and icon we use in the external hyperlink.

Dan Polansky (talk)10:33, 14 September 2014
 

No real objection. In fact I sometimes consult PWN myself, just to make sure I did not miss any definition. Though we do not tend to treat dictionaries as very authoritative anyway. Also, I would have probably named the template {{R:pl:PWN}} myself.

Keφr10:37, 14 September 2014

I place these kinds of sources to "External links", to suggest we do not use them as an authority. As for "pl:" prefix in the template name, I think it does not add any value, and is longer to type.

Dan Polansky (talk)10:40, 14 September 2014

Okay. I am fine with that. Not sure why you even posted this.

(I imagine there might be other dictionaries abbreviated "PWN"; adding language code should disambiguate that sufficiently. And I never understood lazy typists. But meh.)

Keφr10:47, 14 September 2014
 
 
 
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