User talk:Urhixidur

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Welcome[edit]

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Language templates[edit]

Please stop using language templates like {{fr}} in translations sections. We don't use them chiefly because they make it difficult to arrange the language names in alphabetical order. Thanks. Ncik 15:16, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Also make sure you generally stick to layout conventions: Don't number the languages in the translations section. Make sure your changes look like what you want them to look. Be a bit careful with Template:trad. Ncik 15:37, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

If I did number languages, it was inadvertently. I'm surprised at the contra-indication for language templates though. I'll see if that's in the Help pages. Urhixidur 15:45, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, the issue of language code templates is touched on in Wiktionary_talk:Entry_layout_explained#translation_section and the (weak) consensus is that it really doesn't matter as long as the translation entries are sorted by English language names. Using the Preview facility, it is trivial to insure that one's added translation is in the right slot. Urhixidur 15:57, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

There is fairly strong consensus in the community that language templates are not to be used. Proof of that is that you will have difficulties finding them on pages. The topic regularly crops up on WT:BP, now mostly because people coming over from other Wiktionaries are used to them. Ncik 23:10, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
If the consensus does indeed exist, I strongly suggest the Help pages be edited to reflect this. Right now all I see is cognitive dissonance.
Urhixidur 17:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm not surprised. The help pages themselves and their contents are in a complete mess. For formatting issues WT:ELE is the most up-to-date and reliable one. Ncik 19:23, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Hello Urhixidur,
I just wanted to warn you that formatting is quite different to the one used in French dictionary, espacially, less templates are used.
language templates such as {fr} are not used (write "French" instead)
the template {trad} should have been discussed before you import it. The main idea here (and in fr: also) is to argue on each new template, because each new template makes it harder for a newbie to edit.
Here are the rules here... ;-) Kipmaster 16:09, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

no iwikis on templates[edit]

We never put iwikis on templates; they can go on the template talk page with the documentation, where they might be useful. Putting them on templates causes several different performance problems. Robert Ullmann 12:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Fine and dandy, although the other wiktionaries don't seem to have a problem with small <noinclude> sections. However, you should not be a supporter of entropy: instead of just deleting, you should have actually moved the information to the talk page (like I just did). Tsk, tsk. Urhixidur 12:12, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Very funny. Blocked for one year. --Connel MacKenzie 14:41, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Adding an iwiki causes a lot of pages to be recomputed, for no benefit whatsoever. You were warned politely and persisted. We can reduce or clear the block if you clearly understand that the iwikis are not permitted. Robert Ullmann 15:02, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Note: Discussed on e-mail. User now unblocked. He will undo those edits himself (and possibly clean up sever others he found that were in the "Template:" namespace instead of the "Template talk:" namespace.) --Connel MacKenzie 15:58, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I'll dispute the "no benefit whatsoever", but the bottom line is very simply that I had forgotten about that quirk of the English wiktionary's conventions. I'll proceed to fix this in what should hopefully be a way that will prevent future similar incidents, by me or others. (Note to lurkers: the original overkill blockage was triggered by the suspicion that the jobqueue-triggering edits were automated or semi-automated, in which case this is indeed the way an admin should intervene. Each template edit causes a Wiktionary-wide update job to be submitted to the "jobqueue", affecting all pages that use the template --this brings performance down until the jobs are concluded) Urhixidur 16:20, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

categories[edit]

What are you doing? You are creating hundreds of little categories each of which will contain 5 templates? Please, just put them in Category:Language user templates with the code-nn as the key? Robert Ullmann 17:47, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Easily done. Urhixidur 17:48, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

There: the categories should refresh shortly. Sorry about the over-categorisation. Urhixidur 17:55, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I went off to dinner last night hoping you wouldn't go around doing individual changes; apparently you know about NAMESPACE=Template ;-) Very good. Robert Ullmann 13:56, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Babel user boxes[edit]

Thank you for the work you have done. It is good to see these cleaned up. --EncycloPetey 02:11, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

While it is clear you mean well, I have to wonder what you are trying to say with language codes like "tsolyáni"? ISO-639 codes only. Thanks. Please mark the errors with {{delete}}. --Connel MacKenzie 02:18, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, Tsolyáni has no ISO 639 code yet. The question was debated on the French Wiktionary, and the consensus there was to use the spelled-out name until ISO catches up. Note that there are a few precedents already on the Wiktionary (e.g. "tokipona"). Tsolyáni is a legitimate language for addition to any Wiktionary project, with a fully described grammar, extensive vocabulary, and even a Unicode proposal for encoding of its script, Engsvanyáli. Urhixidur 02:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
w:Tsolyáni is a fictional language. We do not allow entries in most constructed languages. (see WT:CFI) --EncycloPetey 02:20, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
That would rule out esperanto, volapük, klingon, interlingua...Several constructed languages have a greater speaker base than lots of dying-out languages, not to mention already-extinct ones (there are ISO codes for several dead languages). I'll go see how vehement WT:CFI is. Urhixidur 02:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
No, we certainly allow Esperanto, Volapük, Ido, etc. It is not constructed languages that are excluded, it is fictional languages... Robert Ullmann 13:58, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Looks like it'll have to be relegated to AnnexesAppendices. It'll be the Wiktionary's loss, in my mind. Urhixidur 02:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

As for Babel boxes, there is still a lot of work to be done. Too many User xx-n templates were subst: when created. It is still a mess. Urhixidur 02:29, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for Your work, but I do not want the ugly coloured bable boxes on my userpage, also please do not create {user at}, it is not a language, it was just a joke but apparently not understood, I am sorry for the confusion, I have removed all now, thanks, best regards, --birdy (:> )=| 22:39, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Please don't edit other editors' comments.[edit]

Hi,

Please don't edit other editors' comments (as you did at Wiktionary:Requested entries:English) without a good and specific reason, and when you do so, make clear that you've done so and why.

By the way, note that Finnegans Wake is not spelled how you might expect.

RuakhTALK 20:57, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I usually don't, except for the occasional typo, which I thought Finnegans was. Live and learn. By the way, that page is mostly a list, and much of it is unsigned, so it's not as if it were a Talk page. Urhixidur 03:17, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
That's true, and it's really not a big deal there. Actually, I was more annoyed by the insertion of spaces after the asterisks, as it made the diff unusable, but as you don't seem to have been intentionally hiding the meat of your edit, I can't pretend my annoyance was justified. :-P   —RuakhTALK 23:45, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Contractions[edit]

Contractions are not a subcategory of abbreviations, just as abbreviations are not a subcategory of contractions. They are coordinate terms for similar phenomena, although you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who could clearly explain why we use each term the way we do. That is, can't is a "contraction" and ltd. is an "abbreviation", but technically either item could be described by either term. In Wiktionary use, we use "abbreviation" to mean a contraction that ends in a period, or a symbolic form of a word used in place of the full word. Contractions typically are joinings of separate words, with or without puctuation. This isn't a precise explanation, but it sould demonstrate sufficiently that the one is not a subcategory of the other. --EncycloPetey 16:44, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Then it should not be defined as such. Currently, the Category:Contractions reads "A contraction is a type of an abbreviation wherein [...].". I have no beef against moving Contractions up to the Fundamental level (I would actually prefer that too). If you'll fix the definition, I'll fix the categorisation. Urhixidur 16:49, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
It's a result of defining words with words. If you look at the definition of abbreviation, it says it is "a shortened or contracted form" (i.e. a contraction). --EncycloPetey 16:53, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Template:mf[edit]

This has long since been deprecated and was deleted. Pleas do not re-create it. Robert Ullmann 14:02, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Note that the deprecated version should have been left there; that isn't you fault. Robert Ullmann 14:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

If not mf, what should be used then to mark "masculine or feminine"? Urhixidur 00:15, 19 September 2008 (UTC) Never mind, I see it specifies it right on the page. Urhixidur 00:16, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

doxastic[edit]

Thank you for adding the etymology to this word, but you made one mistake and one error. The mistake is in saying the word comes from (Modern) Greek. Whenever an etymology on Wiktionary says a word comes from "Greek", that means Modern Greek. The word doxastic comes from Ancient Greek. The error was in formatting the etymology. We do not indent etymologies or use Continental-style quotes. I have corrected the formatting. --EncycloPetey 19:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

No problem; the guillemets (that's what they're called, besides Unicode's mouthful of "double angle quotation marks") were a carry-over from the Wiktionnaire, as was the leading colon. :-) Urhixidur 02:43, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Peircean‎‎[edit]

When we include citations, the bilbiographic information comes first, and the quotation comes second. Also, the quote is not italicized; only invented example sentences are italicized. --EncycloPetey 21:36, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I used the French Wiktionary's quote style; my apologies. Urhixidur 18:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

RFDing a word with its inflections.[edit]

When you list a word at WT:RFD, you don't have to list out all the forms of the word. In the case of a French verb, you can just name the infinitive. If it gets deleted, then the admin who deletes it should find the other forms and delete them as well. —RuakhTALK 20:16, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Just wanted to be bloody sure, as whoever mistakenly created these entries ended up polluting the French Wiktionnaire as well (the entries were imported by a well-meaning bot). Urhixidur 20:21, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Translations[edit]

Could you specify which sense of Laocoön the translations you added are for? Or, are the two senses actually referring to the same person? If so they should be merged surely. Just add the right sense to the {{trans-top}} template on the page if the sense are actually distinct. 50 Xylophone Players talk 15:43, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

exclamer[edit]

En québécois, exclamer se prononce /ɛks.kla.me/ ou /ɛks.klɑ.me/ ? Fête (talk) 23:53, 23 December 2012 (UTC)