Reconstruction talk:Proto-Japonic/anto

Other Japanese dialects?

It'd be great if we can find any further evidence of this term in Japanese.

The Weblio page for あど has an entry from the 奥豊後 (Okubungo) dictionary, covering dialect from the southwest of w:Ōita Prefecture.

I wonder if this might be a shift from 足元・足下 (amoto, “base of the foot; where one's foot contacts the ground when standing or walking”)? The initial a seems like it must be from OJP 足 (a). ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 22:27, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

PS: I also see in the Kōjien that there's a Tōhoku dialect word aguto for "heel", and aguto → ado is a conceivable shift. Shibatani in his The Languages of Japan describes how the peripheral dialects like Kagoshima and Tōhoku seem to include various archaic features, while Kansai may be the most innovative (up until the Edo and modern periods). If that is correct, Tōhoku aguto might well be cognate with Kagoshima and Okubungo ado. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 22:32, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@Eirikr: It's not completely impossible, as aguto has a voiced consonant. Thus the pre-form is *aN((C)V(CV))to.

Also I remember Kupchick mentioned this derives from 足の所 (an(o)to, literally “foot=GEN place”) in his new 2023 Azuma Old Japanese book, where he mentioned that a- 'foot' is a Japonic word, but fossilized in the dialects (c.f. pJ *ato (“footprint; remains”)).

Anyways you should expect ado to appear in Kyushu dialects besides Kagoshima, such as Oita. Chuterix (talk) 00:15, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Shibatani in his The Languages of Japan describes how the peripheral dialects like Kagoshima and Tōhoku seem to include various archaic features...

I forgot to read this sentence, and yes it seems to appear in those dialects. Chuterix (talk) 00:16, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Ya, I'd considered the possibility of a no to, but I couldn't find any direct evidence of it in my references. Also, since there is already just a + to as 跡 (ato), this same compound but with an interstitial の (no) struck me as unlikely... but then again, maybe? Language is weird. 😄 Cheers! ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 01:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC)