Reconstruction talk:Proto-Slavic/orǫdьje

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Heterogentic origin?

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Is it certain that all descendants stem from the same source? The meanings don't seem to align:

The first semantic nuance has parallels in e-ablaut terms, hence is probably native: e.g. Bulgarian уред (ured, device), уредба (uredba, configuration), Polish narzędzie (instrument), etc. On the other hand, Stefan Michael Newerkla (apparently following Uhlenbeck, Vaillant, Matzenauer) considers the abstract meaning a borrowing from Germanic: Czech orudie < "Ač. orudie ‘Auftrag, Angelegenheit’ wie aksl. orǫdije < ahd. ārunti, ārundi (-ren-, -rin-) ‘Botschaft, Auftrag, Angelegenheit’. Nicht zu verwechseln mit homonymem ač. orudie ‘Gerät, Instrument, Waffe, etc.’ < ursl. *orǫdьje zu ursl. *rędъ". [See the source provided by Useigor.] Безименен (talk) 22:32, 14 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Bezimenen: English gear has more or less all the meanings. Mail messages contain business affairs. Both a letter and a weapon were an important thing born near the body/heart (anyway even and metaphorically in so far as they were not materialized but only memorized). I could probably find Semitic examples of the same constellation if I really wanted to. Fay Freak (talk) 23:17, 14 February 2022 (UTC)Reply