Talk:пораженец

Russian quotation (FWOTD)

@Atitarev, Thadh, PUC Hey, would one of you like to add a durable cite to this entry? ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 18:29, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

See my imput. I could only cite the senses, but I couldn't find any reference for the etymology. Adding quotes is easy though, @Lingo Bingo Dingo are they needed? Thadh (talk) 19:35, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

@Thadh I didn't intend to RFV the etymology, but verification that it is a coinage would be helpful because I planned to use it for a coinage focus week. A single quotation for one sense is needed so that this can be a WT:FWOTD. (In the context of CFI and FWOTD "cite", "quote" and "quotation" are used interchangeably.) Sense 3 looks like a specialised subsense of sense 1 to me, though? ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 20:02, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

@Lingo Bingo Dingo: Well, while defeatism is not believing in the possibility of winning, sense 3 (if I understand correctly) is people that were arrested in Soviet Russia in the 1940s for spreading the (mis)information that Nazi Germany didn't lose from the USSR (the source mentions these received 10 years in a concentration camp). I don't think the two senses are related. Thadh (talk) 20:59, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

@Thadh Wait, people went around claiming that after the war?! In any case défaitiste has references (haven't checked them). ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 17:42, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

@Lingo Bingo Dingo: I was surprised myself:

"пораженец - лицо, арестованное или осужденное за выражение сомнения в победе СССР в войне с гитлеровской Германией (40-е гг.). Обычно п. получали по 10 лет лагерей."

"defeatist - a person, arrested or convicted for expressing doubt of USSR's victory in the war against Hitler's Germany (1940s). Usually, d[efeatists] received 10 years in concentration camps."

The second reference of the French entry checks out, so I'll add it here. Thadh (talk) 17:59, 11 January 2021 (UTC)