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sory4thisBIGDOSEofmyfrustratn(yup,ipa,sensitivarea asalredyMASIVLYunderused inmyview62.235.180.5 22:08, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

You can always add country- and region-specific pronunciations between square brackets [], but as far as I know the difference between ʋ and β̞ is phonetic rather than phonemic (similar to how /oː/ often becomes [oʊ̯] up north but doesn't change the meaning). If you want to pursue more drastic changes, you'd better ask CodeCat about it. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 12:17, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


c.A dude, cat

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       strange fellow



nb.wanted2makeuADMINyet? 13:49, 23 December 2016 (UTC)


bij de lurven pakken62.235.177.130 16:10, 23 December 2016 (UTC)


granaatappel <uno'ow2LINK2it?(jusWP>en213.49.62.10 13:35, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Done, you can link to a different language version of Wikipedia by adding a language code. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 12:48, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


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ps.dadAJRADAZrv'dASHITLOADsmh83.134.147.65 23:40, 27 December 2016 (UTC)



ps.treinstation=redlnk;) 15:03, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
There's little need for usage examples that cater to spanking fetishes, so I remove them when I see them. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 15:05, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

hm,ididntreaditlikedad(wel,tuchtsgol..)=thermanysuchUX? 15:26, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

You wouldn't believe it without seeing (just check the history of aarswolf for an exceptionally weird one), and there are even definitions like that (like an unattested sense at hondsvot). Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 15:29, 28 December 2016 (UTC)


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ps.i=ASTONISHDunoFLwords~KOER(i4got~wc.meanin2bh,mychildhud!<gues tcomzfrOUTHOUSEtoilets,hm:) N'ad'm,briljnt!:)) 14:32, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
You can check the Dutch IPA key for the standard used here. I changed it to phonemic because the pronunciation was identical to what it would be in standard.
I actually only learnt of koer recently, and only added the senses "schoolyard" and "tower guard". Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 09:48, 30 December 2016 (UTC)


canuvGO@itpl?knownin'oland? 19:51, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

I didn't know them until now, and I suppose they aren't widely known in the Netherlands, but they get mentioned on some Dutch websites. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 10:11, 30 December 2016 (UTC)


nota.GENDARMERIof'oland?(Bnow=NAT.POLICEkinda213.49.133.149 20:32, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it's basically a gendarme in the Netherlands. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 09:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)


thenMAKAK(ino,it=bad:('dbSYN.. ps.ta4trynstase:)me isumtimeslakINSPIRATN,soidunmindPOINTRS(inosumppl8m("no=workhereyadixmany.. 20:40, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

No, mocro isn't really pejorative, though some use it like that. It's simply a slang term that originated among young people from the Moroccan communities in NL and BE. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 09:50, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
What do "'dbSYN.." and "(inosumppl8m("no=workhereyadixmany.." mean? Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 10:01, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

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nosur~engl(a.noinNLWTsai)a.NOUN(sth.w.throne/sucesion tsems..


ow,cmattenklopper:) 22:38, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

adjacent seems like a good translation to me. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 10:06, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

stuurkunde a calque of English?[edit]

There's a WT:ES discussion that may interest you. —CodeCat 15:07, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

engl?[edit]]<a.een loer draaien? 20:38, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

adedit-felfre2do'luretc;) 20:48, 30 December 2016 (UTC)


briljntENTRY,ta!:)+bestwishes! 19:55, 1 January 2017 (UTC)



2.BEEST/IMBECIL/SLIMME/redelykevan dienst<dito,alundr"..van dienst?<redasxpected,onlymy(ex?)showzup..(askinCODCATnouz4me,sheignorzmyshorthand..

tainadvans4urbrainjuis!:) 20:15, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

I think it's best to add uithangen as a verb rather than all the derived expressions. Expressions with uithangen are productive, after all. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 15:35, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
I've added uithangen. I'll probably RfD de nazi uithangen as SOP soon, so I hope you don't mind. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 15:26, 5 January 2017 (UTC)


ps.vb.nazi(etc)V/DIENST<istilvNOCLUow2adsai81.11.222.77 20:01, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

ad perpetuüm[edit]

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fe.>isugestADINVARIANTS(alsow/KOMMAtsems.. 19:50, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

I checked for a number of variants (de vs den, zien vs zienen vs zien en), this seemed to be the most commonly used on Google Books. In "niet zien en wil", en is a negation particle. Here is the original version by Jacob Cats. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 10:35, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

aja,intrestin!:)we'd adrestasVARIANTS,n?(wichiplandbutnocame2ityet(privatsircumstances-ta4uredits!(ithinkppl.dunapreciat1n'othr here(nbeyond!)enuf,soherw/!:) 12:38, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Yes, and there are special templates for these variants. By the way, when you tag terms with Brabantian, do you mean they're used in Flemish Brabant or used in the entire Brabantian-speaking area? Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 15:26, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

1.oye-templats,nomystrength(bbutilvaluk..2.BRAB:A.imeanLINGUISTICALY(sodenbos>bxl,butB.iactualyonlynowotheyspeakinBooms(soistarted2adthat2(thoit'db.usdmorwidelyorevnbSN(asu'vnoticedonocasn<=workinprogres,i=fraid,sinsv.fewDIALCTdix'roundino of..(nsins=myNATIVLECTi'dlike2c.itDOCUMENTD(youngppl.iv2SUBTITLinSNlol("sgoejr-emptystare-"<oye,ilv2COPYwotic.inusagi=fraid(ifialredyget'owitfunctns.. 16:51, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

If you have problems with the template, you could just add it as plain text on the definition line and then drop a note here.
Well, good thing you didn't gloss it with schooier then. :)
Also, feel free to add or suggest adding "Netherlands" tags to senses, as there are too many untagged senses that are only used in the Netherlands (e.g. gracht before today). Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 15:11, 19 January 2017 (UTC)



ps.compar + belg.gragtbesidefe.highway canbDRYi'dsay+cprvaart<fe.inWILLEBROEK213.49.48.43 00:19, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Schooier isn't literary in Northern Dutch, but it has (slightly) pejorative connotations and is used in a wider sense. Is vaart also used for narrow ditches in Belgian Dutch? Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 10:19, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

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psPAULDELEEUW=learninFL?'laries"sojulise/x/etrAm,nounouROFL62.235.178.189 12:33, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
All right, then it looks like the meaning of vaart is basically the same. And I didn't understand "'laries"sojulise/x/etrAm". Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 12:41, 25 January 2017 (UTC)


ps.vra-lyf-wyf=a.1fr.mygrama(shewasntpretyinheryoungdayzlol213.49.94.111 22:03, 15 January 2017 (UTC)


mosimportnthing=it(ingeneral)=INDAdict,1wayorothr;) 12:32, 18 January 2017 (UTC)


sumtaimzdaXTRATYPINputsmeof(ori4gotheLAYOUT;generalyitrytho+ta4pointr:) 17:20, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

I understand, it was more that at that point you used the link template to direct to English and then overrode it with square brackets. Just be sure to link exclusively to Dutch entries under the Dutch L2 heading, except for definition lines and etymology sections. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 11:54, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

iremembr'avinusdENwherimentNLsumwher(upickdthatup/corectdit,ta!),ys(ita.'apns2SB(gotsumcompany;) 23:49, 19 January 2017 (UTC)


intrawordSOP1'dsay(hm..:klotedag, klotegevoel, klotekind, klotestreek, klotetroep, klotevent, kloteweer, klotewijf, etc. klote ('slecht, beroerd') geldt als bijvoeglijk naamwoord: 'Dat is klote!'[2]<intrestinlist,n? 23:42, 19 January 2017 (UTC)


greatdefs,ta!:) 01:47, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


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ps.resofM's editsactualy ok,ie.i'dntvnownmyslf,ta! 22:30, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
I wouldn't know whether -ken is archaic, though I've certainly seen and heard it less often than -ke. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 11:38, 21 January 2017 (UTC)


1.ifinditanoyinZ-NLdim.getsbumpd2 2nd(unlesuch=codifiedinLAYOUT)givnlifelongSTEPMOTHERLYr/(=treatmnt)ofZNLetc.byVD2.ithoutRULEOFTHHUMBwasNE(zakfe)>f,neN(wotevaNoun)>m(4BRABiobvjeslycantlookitup;thinkiheardGENDRcanb.difrntZ><NNL+ifuaskmeVDinsuchmatrs(aggain!:(("slagtrmehunklakna<'dbetrgoundrHUNactualy(gendrNEUTRAL3.DERIVDTERMS@smikl=BRABofkors(hensZY)NE:| 22:56, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Right, I suppose that was done to give preference to the form most commonly used in (published) written language. I'm not entirely sure what our policy is on diminutives, but for Netherlands Dutch I'd definitely prefer to put colloquial suffixes (like -ie) second, unless the -tje, -je form is significantly more rare and the word is chiefly dialectal. So in the case of armoedegrens, I understand why CodeCat chose for the Northern (standardised) form.
Yes, gender can be different along north-south lines, I think there are a few words that are masculine in the south that are/were feminine in the north (like koffie) and more often vice versa. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 10:59, 21 January 2017 (UTC)



iDEFOsayNEzak,evn4maleperson:|VLW)NEsmikl>ithoutINFLECTNRULEsays>f..(feNENtrein>m<soinWIKT62.235.174.135 23:24, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Guys, not sure why you give preference to cryptic writing. For normal readers it is difficult to read & understand. In any case, "zak" is maculine. n Belgium, it's indeed "nen zak" (or "nen klootzak", "nen vuilzak", etc.). The masculine gender is also supported by the WNT: [3] and het Groene boekje: [4]. Morgengave (talk) 23:38, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Also see: [5] for proof that smikkel is masculine, "den smikkel". Morgengave (talk) 23:44, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
@Morgengave, Sven (who edits from multiple IPs) uses this shorthand to reduce the amount of keys to type because of RSI. Anyway I would also say zak is chiefly masculine, which can be expected because of its etymology (saccus, sakkos). But there are also sufficient attestations for feminine forms, so we can add that zak and its derivatives as a final element are sometimes feminine.
Similar considerations apply to smikkel — you'd expect it to be masculine in most lects with three genders because of the -el suffix, but there are places on Google Groups where there it's used as feminine. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 10:35, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

tauboth!-myreplydingethroFILTER>canimailit? 11:14, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Sure, I've sent a mail. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 11:21, 21 January 2017 (UTC)



first usage in 1980sFrom ervaring +‎ deskundige.


nl-noun|m|ervaringsdeskundige@codecat62.235.174.135 02:53, 21 January 2017 (UTC)


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andmor:iektes|vuil ziekteken}}den|dim2=verspreidingsgebiedekeverspr(ithoutsheydaysed"SHE'dNPw/it??ken|dikkenekske}}
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Okay, I think I understood around 90% of that, but I'm going to ask you to avoid double accolades in talk page comments from now on. They make it much harder to figure out what is template and what is your comment, and it can screw up the talk page too.

From what I understand from CodeCat's earlier comments, she'd be fine if you added it as {{nl-noun|m|dikkenekken|dikkenekje|dim2=dikkenekske}}, so not omitting the standard northern form. I'm not fully sure of that, and it seems best to wait out how discussion turns out on this before you resume adding this.

I'll look into the details of sebiet later, as I can't tell whether the meaning "in a moment" is synonymous to "immediately", "later on" or neither (@Morgengave, do you know whether sebiet has any specific meanings or not?). In any case there's not much use in getting worked up over a removal of a definition line with an alternative form template, justified or not. Please keep your cool. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 12:32, 23 January 2017 (UTC)



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There are in any case sufficient hits for sebiet that are suggestive of your meaning, but perhaps that's identical to the second sense? Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 15:26, 23 January 2017 (UTC)



pps:idsayseb-=sub-"schwa'd~inEN(izier2pronouns:) 18:57, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
What does "EN" mean? Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 15:21, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

english;se/u-=SAMEidsay62.235.178.189 22:00, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

To respond to my ping: Belgian (spoken) subiet approximates Dutch "straks" or "seffens", i.e. "later (on)", but in formal texts, it would mean "(almost) immediately" (unless written as sebiet). Often in Belgian Dutch, it would sound "sebiet" rather than "subiet", but this is a rather subtle difference in pronunciation, which would not necessarily be reflected in writing. Rather interesting how in multiple languages "immediately" became less specified over time: subiet in Belgian Dutch, drekly (from "directly") in Cornwall-English and dalk (from "dadelik") in Afrikaans. Must say something about human nature :) Morgengave (talk) 22:38, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the info, I think that justifies linking the definition to subiet. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 11:28, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

morCC VANDALISMsmh[edit]


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vriendinneke ==

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The way CodeCat handled vriendinneke seems pretty regular actually -- we don't usually list a lot of info on the diminutive page, diminutives are virtually always in this format unless they are somehow very different or much more common than their "parent" noun. The info girlfriend is also at vriendin; it seems obvious that the diminutive also has that meaning. I don't think the diminutive has any other meaning not covered by the regular noun; if it did, that info would have to be listed on the main, not the diminutive entry, I think. CodeCat may not be very communicative about her reverts, but I don't blame her too much: she's pretty much sticking to the way entries are usually handled on Wiktionary.
As for the quote, I didn't find it in any durably archived place, so it doesn't really work, though I have no doubt that plenty of attestations of this particular diminutive can be found elsewhere. — Kleio (t · c) 01:57, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

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  1. Albanian, Basque, Belarusian, Bulgarian, Catalan, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Icelandic, Italian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Macedonian, Norwegian (Nynorsk and Bokmål), Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Russian, Scots, Serbo-Croatian, Slovak, Slovene, Spanish, Swedish, and Ukrainian;
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  3. Modern Standard Arabic;
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  7. Standard Indonesian, Malay, Tagalog, Thai and Vietnamese; and
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This page may be modified through general consensus. To make a request to add or exclude a language, go to the Beer Parlour and click the "+" tab at top to input your request. When making a change to this list, consideration of how to handle existing entries should be taken into account.thenwe'ldoaporjob@m(=wpDURABLYARCHIVD?(i'dsayso,buty.nodad poemzp.soconsidrd<irealyduno,4me it=,butidunoTEK.DETAILZofpolicyther..@KIeio62.235.178.189 09:33, 24 January 2017 (UTC)



Den Tour de France is 's werelds meest befaamde rittenkoers!
(please add an English translation of this usage example)


Not sure what's the deal here; who would add which word? Are you asking if rittenkoers should get an entry? (Judging by Google, it definitely should.) — Kleio (t · c) 19:01, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

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What happened is you put a usage example with rittenkoers instead of rittenwedstrijd. A human error which it would have been more gracious to correct than to erase the entire thing, to be sure. I restored and fixed your usex and added a translation. — Kleio (t · c) 03:25, 26 January 2017 (UTC)


yrvd-hedr?Related terms===

  • fluitje (long, narrow beer glass, previously used by De Koninck and still by others) 22:17, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
"Related terms" is used for terms that are etymologically related. It could be added under "Coordinate terms", but I feel it's better just to add bierglas under "Hypernyms" (and then add fluitje to bierglas under "Hyponyms"). Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 10:22, 25 January 2017 (UTC)


y(CC)takoutSYNS?+SBundoinwotCC'dow/m(i'dsuchbosesmh(uguyzCANTsay=rulz,OBVJESLYdiametricalyoposeda2.. 22:24, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

{{syn}} is an experimental template, so it may be that some editors prefer to remove it while others like to try it out.
I don't think sjouwen and slepen are real synonyms of voorttrekken, but voortslepen and voortsjorren definitely are. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 09:36, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

ow2ad?[edit]<c.a.jongeske(wel,guesalNOxist~cc.. 22:44, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Seems like a southern diminutive of ABN jong (Onze poes heeft een drietal jongen gebaard), I've added it as such. — Kleio (t · c) 18:57, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
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w/caporno?[edit]<getintird,pikinothrzbrain.. 22:51, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

It looks like the lowercase spelling is preferred in most published texts, see also ANL. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 09:44, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

inde)fik(stan-stek-zete<ow2adpl?[edit] 08:28, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

I think it's best added as in de fik, with the following markup:

===Prepositional phrase===
{{head|nl|prepositional phrase}}

# {{l|en|on fire}}, {{l|en|ablaze}}, {{l|en|aflame}}
Then you can add in a label or a usage note that it's often used with the verbs staan, stekken and zetten. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 09:42, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
By the way, what did you want to suggest/say about chloorkip? Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 10:04, 25 January 2017 (UTC)


a.4REGULARSWIMR?(inpublikpulz?(SBdeletedmycmnt@entry:( 10:12, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

I haven't seen it attested yet, but if you can find it used three times by different people on Google Books, Google Groups, or a written publication, it can be added. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 10:16, 25 January 2017 (UTC)


der=noDE-hu(asu sedBORfrDE? 13:42, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

German borrowed it from Hungarian as well, if that's what you mean. The English word coach has a more detailed etymology. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 13:46, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

imentnl<de<hu(so nlthanonlyINdrctfrHU<jusLOGICALTHINKINi'dnoidea~ETY,intrestintho,ta! 15:28, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it's indirectly from Hungarian. That's why the template der is used, rather than bor (which is reserved for direct borrowings). Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 15:36, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

se(n)[edit]<anyidea'ow2ad?(inoaldaUSAGbutNOdaGRAMARnsuch:| 15:25, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

The second one seems an interjection, I'm not sure about the first one though, it seems like a determiner to me. @KIeio, do you have any ideas? Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 15:34, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
If I'm interpreting it right, the first one is used similarly to English utter, as in you utter bastard etc.. It seems (judging by our entry for that word and for the comparable intensifiers total, fucking, etc.) like you could describe it as an intensifying adjective. — Kleio (t · c) 17:47, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
Though without the pronoun it does look like a determiner, similar to what (what a mess!, what idiocy!, etc). — Kleio (t · c) 17:56, 25 January 2017 (UTC)


catholic(notinVWtho,sai62.235.178.189 17:17, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

So you're suggesting the word sussekop? Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 11:06, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

ys!got1quot:hln sus cvp

Kristelijke Werknemersbeweging<v.comoncoloquialtho,fr.timesCATH-RED-LIBRALfrictns81.11.219.200 17:37, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Right, so Sus or sus can be added (I also found a hit here, on page 3 under "Aalschot"). Is it pejorative, like tofelemoon? Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 15:39, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

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ta4merwEEdebtw!(i'dnoidea!(iuzd2finalschwazlol:) 22:50, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

@Cnilep, KIeiocn.DELmyconcern!!(breth1slast[edit]

+RDIRCT2wp(thenwot=theydoinhere?! 19:35, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Do you want something deleted (DEL)? Or did something get deleted? Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 14:32, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
That is possibly a reference to this edit in which I removed a sense. See the following edit, in which I restored it. (I also added a reference note and slightly altered the wording for copyright and plagiarism reasons.) Cnilep (talk) 02:31, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
@Cnilep, all right, that seems settled then. Thanks for your reply, and I see you have found a citation now. It's better to raise such issues in WT:RfV should you come across them. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 11:41, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

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ps.ourPCwasbrokesumdayz81.11.219.200 15:02, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
It can be added as a verb. For the section "inflection" you can use the template nl-conj-see to link to doen, see de kool en de geit sparen for an example. The definition should be added under the most common form (either "ake doen", "een ake doen", "aaike doen" or "een aaike doen"). Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 15:10, 1 February 2017 (UTC)


i'dsayLIT/FIGwas'elpfl;slipdragr=syn,n?ta4alu(nothrs!)didbtw!:) 20:24, 1 February 2017 (UTC)


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It's a voiced velar fricative, so like a [g] but then fricative. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 13:52, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

yeabu2medeysoundREALDIFRNT..:|(pt-nl"g81.11.218.50 23:06, 8 February 2017 (UTC)


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Could it be related to one of these two words? Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 13:42, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

dunthinkso..('d alredyfound2.1,buta! 23:05, 8 February 2017 (UTC)


ow2ad?(=abr4therapyinmed(prapsspec.innlmed,nosur)a.Pr/,D/,SS/<alpretySTANDEDLYuzd(a.inFARMACYithout(pretytirdof2dayzeditsbtw,damorsoastheyshitmeout'genwherilivSMH81.11.219.200 21:46, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Is it really written as "R/", "Pr/" etc. or as "R", "Pr" etc.? I can't find anything about the first set? Anyway, you can use an entry like PC as an example. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 13:17, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

w/slash,m(iSCANuanx<cantscan4nowPCgotfabriekinstellingen'gen,stuurprogrammas=gun:(=dr's prescriptnw/"R/"intopleftcornr81.11.218.50 20:32, 8 February 2017 (UTC)


no=kUxgotrmv(amgine:En houd uwen achterklap al maar stillekes aan voor uwzelf, of denkt ge da'k da allemaal nie weet, stoem wijf!

  1. Don't you think I know 'bout your malicious bitching, so better cut it, stupid cunt/maliciousbitch!!<jusmeixitpoorer!:(
cHISTORYowIGNORANTSf.upentryz(nofkorsBLOKDmesmh(( 19:09, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

I've placed a new example there. There's actually policy on not putting offensive words (in your example cunt and bitch) in usage examples, see WT:USEX. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 15:56, 9 February 2017 (UTC) that=pretyDUMpolicyasinterferzw/DESCRIBINowppl.uzlect(exactlyasiputit(realy,i=nogonasay"peznthen.. 23:03, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

How does it interfere with describing? Offensive terms can still be included and described, but on their own page. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 11:58, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

wel,VULGARwordzasx4DITOUX,wich=IMposiblifCENSORD~th= 17:24, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what "x" in "asx4" means, if the context means "as x for ditto usage example,". In any case you may use vulgarities in the usage examples of their respective pages. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 11:30, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

unoPRONmerwede?[edit] 07:57, 9 February 2017 (UTC)


a.inBANGLADESH181.11.218.50 22:00, 12 February 2017 (UTC)


myfathrRUINDmyALMOSTREDYENTRY:bubl(sputh20/boil)/uncleartalk(syn:borele/momple-vw(ifonlinppl=noplayinup,alwaysrelyonurFAMILY2dososmh81.11.218.50 12:40, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

So it was like:




# to [[bubble]], to [[boil]]

# to [[talk]] unclearly, to [[mumble]]





Just pick the option under "inflection" of whatever you use as the title. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 12:47, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


W/bakgroundBLAK(i=fotofobik)now"subjct;ediitsumaryfields"=ilegibl(txtrmainsBLAK2instedofe.turnsbeige<noelp:(,ijusgotLAFDAWAYw/my'andz:((@kieio81.11.233.45 17:22, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm afraid this might not be a problem that originates from Wiktionary, but I'll ask around. So it only affects the subject field and edit summary fields? Does it persist when you select the text? Also, what browser are you using? Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 11:34, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Ri-Longe nevidita[edit]

Saluto Lingo Bingo Dingo! Ka tu anke interesas pri Kopta!?

Ⲛⲟⲫⲣⲓ Ⲗⲓⲛⲅⲟ Ⲃⲓⲛⲅⲟ Ⲧⲓⲛⲅⲟ! Ⲕⲕⲉϭⲓⲉⲑⲙⲏⲥⲓ Ϧⲉⲛ ⲙⲉⲧⲣⲉⲙⲛⲭⲏⲙⲓ!?

Me amatore studias ta beloza linguo, ma me prezente ne povas dicar ulo sen la helpo di vortaro.

Me standas bone, danko, ma triste mea skolo prenas omno de mea tempo (anke mea libera tempo). Quale tu standas? – Algentem (talk) 10:08, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Me lernis la anciena Kopta ante kelka yari, ma nur passive. Dum la lasta yaro me anke adjuntis ula lemi Kopta hike. Ka vu volas parolar ita aktive? Semblas tre desfacila segun me. E danko, me bonestandas. @Algentem Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 13:08, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Saluto. Exkuzez me por la tarta respondo. Me volas uldie lernar tam multe por povas parolar ol flutente (per la tradicionala pronuncado di Bohairic, qua me studias; videz exemple: ⲁⲙⲣⲉ), ma Kopta ne semblas imposible lernebla por me. Pri la tradukuri; me exkuzas me. Me savas ke mea vorti esas en Bohairic, ma me ne savas quale specifikar to en la tradukilo – me esforcos lernar to. Kordiale/Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ – Algentem (talk) 07:46, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Tre bone, ne importas subite inkluzivar omna dialekti. Me inkluzis exemplo en mea mesajo antea: vu povas redaktar la tradukuri tale diff. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 11:11, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

How do you pronounce kindje?[edit]

Sort of out of the blue, but I was wondering about this and need a second opinion. How do you pronounce it? I've always pronounced it it as /ˈkin.tjə/, not /ˈkɪn.tjə/. Is my version weird/dialectal (I'm from Dordt, originally), or is our audio weird? It sounds so unnatural to me. — Kleio (t · c) 22:02, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

@KIeio, I think the pronunciation with /i/ is rather widespread in Hollandic lects (at least), I've heard it in several places. They're in free variation in my everyday speech, but in artificially careful speech, I tend to prefer [ɪ]. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 09:40, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
Being from Brabant, saying it with /i/ sounds very weird to me, like a non-native speaker whose native language doesn't distinguish /i/ from /ɪ/. —CodeCat 14:02, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the replies -- I suppose it is sorta weird, especially since that pronunciation seems to only happen with that word (not in lintje or other similar words), has me wondering whence it came. — Kleio (t · c) 14:50, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Section op[edit]

"Section op is WF"... What is section op? --G23r0f0i (talk) 09:51, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

"Section original poster", so "someone who created a section". The answer to "who is the section op" would in that context be "you". :) Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 12:01, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
Hmm. Makes sense. I should probably read our dictionary before asking questions like that...--G23r0f0i (talk) 16:09, 2 April 2017 (UTC)


Hi, just wondering where you found this and why you're requesting an entry for it. As far as I can tell, it is a relatively rare Germanism (although still attestable). --WikiTiki89 15:10, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

@Wikitiki89 Hi, I was inspired to look for it by landkarto, to see whether it could be an alternative etymon. If you think it's not notable enough to include, I can remove the request or you may do that. (Searching for the plural gives a lot more hits, by the way, but it's often not possible to check it in the previews.) Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 08:39, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


If you have the time, could you have a quick "native-speaker look" at this entry I created. Thanks. Kolmiel (talk) 20:15, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Nevermind. CodeCat has edited it now. Kolmiel (talk) 23:46, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
@Kolmiel it seems rather good anyway. The earliest hit I could find for it dates from 1950 and is actually used in the second sense. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 08:35, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. That is important. All the attestations from the 50ies and 60ies that I'd found were in the other sense. I've adapted the etymology a bit. Kolmiel (talk) 14:50, 29 April 2017 (UTC)


When adding quotes to entries, can you wrap them in this template from now on? Thanks! —CodeCat 12:47, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

@CodeCat Sure, will do. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 12:48, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


It's pretty annoying talkpage behaviour... --P5Nd2 (talk) 12:06, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

@P5Nd2 Oh, right. That was unintended and won't be repeated. By the way, was the suggestion with det internasjonale fonetiske alfabetet accidental or a prank? Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 12:21, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Let's call it an accidental prank, then we're both happy --P5Nd2 (talk) 14:53, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Re: IPA[edit]

Bonjorno Lingo. Me cesis uzar punti en mea pagini, nam me decidis e komencis uzar vicee la hyphenation-shablono. Me regardis quale l'altra lingui, kam Angla ed Espo, skribis lia pronunco, e tale esis quale li skribas li. Me anke lektetis l'artiklo pri IPA ye l'Angla Wikipedia. Kande li montris pronunco en //, li nultempe uzis irga punti.

Do, vorto kom frajila, divenas: «IPA(key): /fraˈʒila/, /fraˈd͡ʒila/» kun «Hyphenation: fra‧ji‧la», vice «IPA(key): /fra.ˈʒ, /fra.ˈd͡ʒ».

Ka vu ne konkordas kun mea decido? Sincere — Algentem (talk) 11:33, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

It's excessive to be sure, but ideally you'd provide both the dots in the IPA and the hyphenation. (Although I and most others do not place a dot before any syllable with a stress mark, as that is completely useless.) —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 13:41, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
@Algentem I'm perfectly fine with you omitting periods in the template and as Meta wrote they should be omitted/removed before stress marks. I just don't see the value in removing correctly placed periods that are already present. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 11:55, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Lekker ding![edit]

No, not you! (well, who knows, I can't judge) Just wanted to let you know it can be said about men as well. W3ird N3rd (talk) 11:00, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

I agree that it can be used for men, though I was thinking of ding being used by itself or in other phrases back then. But I didn't make that very clear. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 13:15, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure ding could even be used by itself without any adjective, at least I can't think of any example. "Zie je dat ding daar zitten?" doesn't sound natural to me. If it could be done, I suspect it could apply to both men and women. W3ird N3rd (talk) 15:58, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
See the WNT, sublemma 5. But I agree that independent use isn't that common anymore. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 13:32, 9 August 2017 (UTC)


Lingo, I rewrote the definition for ophaalbrug because it is not merely a synonym for a bascule bridge, but a particular type. This topic came up on Wikipedia's wikipedia:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bridges#nl:Ophaalbrug. The Dutch Wikipedia has an article on this type of bridge, wikipedia:nl:Ophaalbrug. As a result, merely listing the definition as bascule bridge is not correct. As far as I know, there is no equivalent English term for this type of bridge, and from what I've been able to find, it seems to be unique to the Netherlands.

Please ping me when replying as I'm not very active on wiktionary.

Thanks, Oiyarbepsy (talk) 13:33, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Oiyarbepsy, I reverted the edit because it is also used more generally for other types of drawbridges. For instance, the ophaalbrug at a castle is rarely going to be of the type described. Though it turns out the WNT has both senses. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 13:43, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Voting to be an administrator[edit]

If you are referring to Dan Polansky, I do not think that there was anything that could have been wrongly interpreted in his reaction to my edit and nothing to hinder him from being an administrator. No one would vote for me to be one and indeed, Metaknowledge would not allow it. Kind Regards. Andrew H. Gray 19:53, 20 November 2017 (UTC)Andrew talk

@Werdna Yrneh Yarg Yes, I was referring to Dan, but thanks for your reply. I've replied on the talk page at paars by the way. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 10:42, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
@Lingo Bingo Dingo Yes, I had read that and did not comment further as I believed that it was a valid alternative to my conjecture; but, by mentioning that paars was also used for a blue, actually confirms my conjecture that it was handed down from the Punic iq. race in Bronze Age times, originally from a Semitic root "PAAR" (to be hot in the face), hence the colour: perzik is already there, so no need for another word for 'peach'! The Bell Beaker Culture travelled north through these countries as well as the influx of the Celts from the South East, as you would know. Kind Regards. Andrew H. Gray 18:59, 24 November 2017 (UTC).

I should have qualified my earlier statement by adding that I was assuming that paars was at least as old in form as peers from the French as stated in the main entry. If not then my hypothesis is grounded; but if so, then they were two separate lexemes with separate origins. Andrew H. Gray 08:29, 25 November 2017 (UTC)Andrew (talk)

Etymology on Ido entries[edit]

Hey. I think we should decide on how we write etymology on some Ido entries. More specifically, whether the word is derived from Esperanto or not. Esperanto, at the time of creation of Ido, was lacking several words that are common today; words that Ido adopted at an earlier stage.

I think that we should always check on when the Esperanto equivalent was first used, for example on a site like Tekstaro. I don't think that words not found at 1907 should be labeled "coming from Esperanto."

For example, in Tekstaro, the first instance of avantaĝo in Esperanto is in "Al Torento" from 1930. That makes me believe that Ido avantajo predates Esperanto. If we go even further, we can check Akademio de Esperanto's own database and see that the Esperanto word was officialized in the eight's Aldono.

P.S. Me and Robin have recently uploaded every Progreso (compiled into yearly books) through year 14 to Commons. With these, we can see at what time a word was adopted and for what reason.

— What do you think? Kind regards Algentem (talk) 16:03, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

@Algentem I agree on the principle that Ido words should only be labelled as derived from Esperanto if the Esperanto word indeed appears later than the Ido word, but I don't think 1907 should be used as a cutoff date for all terms. The etymology I wrote at avantajo was unfortunate because I forgot to do that, though I often do check that (e.g. pronuncebla). However, I think this case isn't very clear cut, as a use supposedly from 1909 appears on Google Books (Tekstaro is in my experience not a representative corpus, though Google Books is not great either and it's especially bad for Ido). Anyway I'll remove the Esperanto term from the etymology for now, because the first Ido attestation is from 1908.
And excellent work on uploading Progreso! Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 10:30, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
Yeah. Neither Tekstaro or GBooks have big enough corpora to safely say whether or not one or the other was first; but I do think it we should pick one method for general use. I propose we go after Tekstaro (mainly because it is super fast and has a decent corpus) and if we down the line find evidence that says otherwise, we can easily just correct it. Robin also suggested we should add "Compare Esperanto ..." if we are unsure.
During the first year of Progreso, they either kept or removed vocabulary from Esperanto by voting. After that initial year, they only added new vocabulary based on English, French, German, Italian, Russian and Spanish. If a term in Esperanto was used in 1910 and the Ido equiv. in 1911, I don't think they in anyway took the word from Esperanto; I think it would be a mere coincidence. So I think we should always label Ido vocabulary as original if the Esperanto equiv. was first used in and after 1907. Keep up the good work :P — Algentem (talk) 11:39, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
@Algentem I'm all right with people using Tekstaro as a quick check (though I don't think it is a good idea to write this down as policy). You make good points about borrowings after 1907, but Idists could still have borrowed from Esperanto later (the proscribed term komputilo is one such case). So how about making Esperanto attestation in or before (early?) 1907 the default criterion for a borrowing (so we don't class it as a borrowing if it is later), unless the Ido form is obviously influenced by an earlier Esperanto term after 1907? Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 11:57, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
Yeah. Sounds good! — Algentem (talk) 12:21, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
@Algentem I've had a shot at writing this up at WT:AIO#Etymology. Feel free to expand/correct. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 12:49, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
Cool. I added some text, you can rewrite it if you want to. — Algentem (talk) 15:16, 24 November 2017 (UTC)


Hello. Do you wish to become an admin? --Rerum scriptor (talk) 12:13, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

@Rerum scriptor Thanks for the suggestion, but I'd rather not. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 12:19, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
All right. (Too soon? Uninterested?) --Rerum scriptor (talk) 12:22, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
Could you tell us why not, Lingo? I think you’d do great as an admin. — Ungoliant (falai) 12:22, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
@Rerum scriptor, Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV I generally don't spend much time on activities other than editing in the mainspace where admin tools aren't really needed. Besides, there are already admins in nearly all the languages in which I edit, so there doesn't seem to be a lot of added value. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 12:44, 24 November 2017 (UTC)


Hi, I changed the labels here a bit. Context labels should only indicate the context in which something is used, not the meaning of the word. The definition should still be understandable if the labels are left out, which was not the case before. —Rua (mew) 11:47, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

@Rua All right. So I suppose {{q}} shouldn't be used for that purpose either? ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 11:52, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Probably not. I just use plain brackets. —Rua (mew) 12:06, 30 January 2018 (UTC)