Talk:کووڕ

@Vahagn Petrosyan: Can be inherited, from earlier kōř from Old. Iranian *kawaθra- with regular awa > ō and θr > (h)r (whence կոռ, կոր). Can you summarize p14 (footnote)? --Calak (talk) 12:10, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

@Calak: The footnote refers to Talysh, Gilaki xāla ‘tributary river’ and says: "The word has no accepted etymology, however it probably can be connected with Kurd. x(v)ār, NPers. x(v)ol "crooked" < OIr. *kawaθra- > *xwaθra- < x(v)ār < x(v)āl, cf. Manichean Middle Persian xvahl."

Does Asatryan list any descendant of *kawaθra- that looks like կոր (kor)?. --Vahag (talk) 16:36, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Asatryan derives colloquial Persian xol, Kermanic xora, xar, Luri xal, Kurdish x(w)ār MP xwahl all from Old. Iranian *kawaθra-. Well I don't agree with him. There is another theory witch derives these from Old. Iranian *hwaxra- from earlier *hu-waxra- from *hu "good" + *waxra- (sanskrit vakra).

By the way I think *kawaθra- can explain Armenian kor.--Calak (talk) 17:14, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

@Calak, on what basis would one reconstruct *kawaθra- if you remove Asatrian's cognates? Just Kurdish kûrr and Armenian կոր (kor)? ESIJa lists many supposedly related Iranian forms under PIr. *kaw- (“to bend”), but nothing suitable, except perhaps Pashto څوړ (tsuṛ, “bent, curved, crooked”). --Vahag (talk) 17:04, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

If we accept Asatrian's theory, so it is another evidence for this discussion.--Calak (talk) 18:30, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Sumerian 𒄥 (GUR, “to twist, to bend, to wind”) would explain կոր (kor) even better, isn’t it? It has some interesting offspring like Arabic كُور (kūr, “furnace; saddle”), كُوَارَة (kuwāra, “beehive”). كَرّ (karr, “rope”), Arabic كُرَاز (kurāz, “cantharus”), to just name the Arabic.

The problem with all that is the common sounds and the general meaning in the game. Don’t know if Proto-Indo-European *(s)ker- (“to bend”) existed, or *gew- (“to bend”) from which the Armenian and γῦρος (gûros) and some other words are alleged to be. We find here the problematic long-range reconstructions that Altaicists and Nostraticists are accused of. Even though as a whole an Indo-European language can be discerned this does not at all mean that everything can or should be connected through it. Fay Freak (talk) 23:42, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

All of this seems uncertain. As Fay Freak said, the sounds and meanings are common and general. At this stage we could mention Kurdish kûrr, because if the earlier form is kōř, it matches կոռ (koṙ) perfectly, which is confined to Kurdish-influenced areas of Western Armenia. --Vahag (talk) 06:12, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

I also found Khotanese kūra- "crooked".--Calak (talk) 12:55, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Added. There is also կուր (kur). --Vahag (talk) 14:44, 4 May 2019 (UTC)