Talk:नमस्ते

I guess, it is a Hindi greeting rather than a Hindu greeting.

If you are referring to the first sentence in the usage notes, Hindu is there constrasted with secular, thus referring to religious usage. --Ivan Štambuk 19:52, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

===Borrowed terms===

@Svartava At Talk:खादन, it was discussed that ===Borrowed terms=== may not be a valid section header since it does not appear in

WT:Entry_layout#List_of_headings

and according to User:Inqilābī:

Descendants are descendants, there’s no point in distinguishing between words in this way while we already have nice parameters for that purpose.

Also see

User:Erutuon/mainspace_headers/possibly_incorrect#Borrowed_terms

Kutchkutch (talk) 08:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

@Kutchkutch: Oh, I did not remember that discussion. I'm OK with it being reverted but here since all of the descendants are borrowing I sort of like to have it neater without all the arrows behind each descendant. —Svārtava · 08:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

July 2024

Discussion moved from Special:Permalink/80913396.

Ok so, @Theknightwho and @Svartava, regarding this group (or stream) of edits. Well, it basically boils down to what counts as a greeting right? Svartava ने कहा, जय भीम is not a greeting. But the Jain version also uses जय? How can one say only one of them is a greeting when they follow the same formula. As for Buddhism being uncommon, that isn't surprising, we don't live in the times of Ashoka. Well to be fair it's a recent "phrase" since भीम is a nickname for Ambedkar. But the fact remains, outside of Tibetans in exile and a few non-Navayana Buddhists it's the most common Buddhist greeting in Bharat. 178.120.23.165 11:58, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

In general, it is not about using the same formula. And Dr. Ambedkar is not a diety/revered person in Buddhism in the same way Rama is in Hinduism or the Jinas in Jainism. I have never seen anyone ever use this as a greating, only as a pro-Ambedkar slogan, comparable to जय सावरकर (jay sāvarkar). Svartava (talk) 12:12, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

@Svartava Well no, of course not. But deities aren't required for greetings. The Muslims say "peace be upon you". At least within India he is a revered person and Buddhist Dalits do greet each other this way even if it's not very common. As for my motivation for adding it, it feels incomplete otherwise. There are four Dharmic religions, but we only have three on Wiktionary. नमस्ते, सत श्री अकाल, जय जिनेन्द्र। But then Buddhism is just completely absent. 178.120.23.165 12:59, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to be disruptive on purpose @Theknightwho. 178.120.23.165 13:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

I was just showing that it is very different from जय श्री राम (jay śrī rām) and जय जिनेंद्र (jay jinendra) and I said that he is not a revered person in the same way as the Hindu dieties or the Jinas, not that he is not a respected person altogether. It can be added as a greeting if it is citable in books, etc. as an acutal greating. As for the incompleteness, I agree with you but I don't feel जय भीम (jay bhīm) completes it -- नमो बुद्धाय (namo buddhāya) might, but again it is hard to cite it being actually used as a greeting in Hindi literature or being spoken as one in Hindi because Buddhism has sadly vanished from the Hindi-speaking regions. Svartava (talk) 13:38, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

@Svartava Wah, just realised that there's no namo buddhāya as a Pali or Sanskrit entry, in either script. Though we could have it as a Hindi entry too, just like we have सत्यमेव जयते.

Too bad we don't have any Buddhist Indian editors here. I'm sure they would be able to find good citations. As for spoken language, wouldn't surprise me if नमो बुद्धाय is actually used, considering that Marathi Buddhists (for example) would use it when speaking Hindi too. It sure is uncommon, but I think it's worth including considering the significance बौद्ध धर्म had in भारत. 178.120.23.165 14:40, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Buddhism indeed has significantly influenced Indian culture especially during its time of prominence. But again, any entry created should be citable in Hindi, Sanskrit or Pali. In Sanskrit or Pali it was possibly a phrase like नमः शिवाय (namaḥ śivāya) but finding citations for them used as a greeting would be even harder, I guess. Though, there is a good likelihood that they were used as greetings but for an entry we need citations. Svartava (talk) 15:21, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

@Svartava I did notice though that namo buddhāya siddhaṃ doesn't have any citations. I think that this requirement here is not as strict as in Wikipedia, right? My feedback as someone who is mostly a reader here is that while appreciated, I don't really need them as long as it comes from a User or IP (unfortunately not as common) who knows what they're doing. As for जय भीम, I just wanted to be more inclusive towards Dalits. Hmm maybe I could search for citations one of these days. 178.120.23.165 17:23, 27 July 2024 (UTC)