Talk:ქუეყანა
Latest comment: 3 years ago by Solarkoid
@Dixtosa, Reordcraeft What are we going to do with this? This is not in nominative... Shouldn't OGE entries be in nominative and not წრფელობითი? -Solarkoid (talk) 23:34, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
- It should be "ქუეყანაჲ", right? we can request changes to the entry for administrators to approve --Reordcraeft (talk) 07:52, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- I don't know. Did all words with vowel-ending roots end in ჲ in Old Georgian? Dixtosa (talk) 08:50, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- Abuladze 2014 lemmatizes as ქუეყანა. --Vahag (talk) 09:39, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Vahagn Petrosyan: You are the one who showed me to use bible, which I'm extremely greatful for. Bible mentions: "დასაბამად ქმნნა ღმერთმან ცაჲ და ქუეყანაჲ" "First off the god created sky and land". @Dixtosa: So from grammatical perspective what happened was: Old Georgian nominative case marker was -ი (still is), which got weakened by some vowels when it was suffixed to words and turned into ჲ, that is how I remember it anyways. That is how it happened that vowel endings sometimes take -ს as the genitive marker which was -ჲს quoting Shanidze. I'll definitely check the old georgian grammar book again, but I've no doubt that it ended in ჲ bcs of the bible. I guess Abuladze was using წრფელობითი which was a case showing only the unchanged root. -Solarkoid (talk) 10:19, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- I don't know anything about Georgian morphology. I have uploaded the page in Abuladze 2014 to https://ibb.co/TtWZRzM. --Vahag (talk) 11:56, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Vahagn Petrosyan You have some nice books! >o<. But anyway, I do not know why he did what he did, but the oge lemmas here are SOOOOO unequal. Take for example ლეკჳ (leḳwi) which is fine, but then there's alternative form mentioned AND created ლეკუ (leḳu) WHICH IS NOT THE SAME. ლეკუ is the ts'rfelobiti I mentioned. ჳ = უი where უ is a "nonsyllabary" უ, that means it doesn't account for a syllable unlike other georgian vowels ა, ე, ი, ო, უ. and well it should be romanized as 'w' cause that's the sound it makes, THUS it should be ლეკუი (leḳui). Here idk you can check how abuladze mentions this but OGE has a lot of inconsistencies just like Laz has here. You're a smart guy, I think you can deduce this from what I said. I wanna ask you, is there anything we can do? I personally think deleting every single one of these pages will be exasperating. Should ts'rfelobiti be made the norm for OGE? -Solarkoid (talk) 12:52, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- Abuladze has ლეკჳ (leḳwi), in parentheses ლეკუ-ი (leḳu-i). I can't help you choose the appropriate lemma. Do what other dictionaries do and codify the approach at Wiktionary:Lemmas. --Vahag (talk) 14:19, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- Again, thank you very much for that :D. I'll look into OGE more when I have spare time and then do what you said. -Solarkoid (talk) 14:31, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- Abuladze has ლეკჳ (leḳwi), in parentheses ლეკუ-ი (leḳu-i). I can't help you choose the appropriate lemma. Do what other dictionaries do and codify the approach at Wiktionary:Lemmas. --Vahag (talk) 14:19, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Vahagn Petrosyan You have some nice books! >o<. But anyway, I do not know why he did what he did, but the oge lemmas here are SOOOOO unequal. Take for example ლეკჳ (leḳwi) which is fine, but then there's alternative form mentioned AND created ლეკუ (leḳu) WHICH IS NOT THE SAME. ლეკუ is the ts'rfelobiti I mentioned. ჳ = უი where უ is a "nonsyllabary" უ, that means it doesn't account for a syllable unlike other georgian vowels ა, ე, ი, ო, უ. and well it should be romanized as 'w' cause that's the sound it makes, THUS it should be ლეკუი (leḳui). Here idk you can check how abuladze mentions this but OGE has a lot of inconsistencies just like Laz has here. You're a smart guy, I think you can deduce this from what I said. I wanna ask you, is there anything we can do? I personally think deleting every single one of these pages will be exasperating. Should ts'rfelobiti be made the norm for OGE? -Solarkoid (talk) 12:52, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- I don't know anything about Georgian morphology. I have uploaded the page in Abuladze 2014 to https://ibb.co/TtWZRzM. --Vahag (talk) 11:56, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Vahagn Petrosyan: You are the one who showed me to use bible, which I'm extremely greatful for. Bible mentions: "დასაბამად ქმნნა ღმერთმან ცაჲ და ქუეყანაჲ" "First off the god created sky and land". @Dixtosa: So from grammatical perspective what happened was: Old Georgian nominative case marker was -ი (still is), which got weakened by some vowels when it was suffixed to words and turned into ჲ, that is how I remember it anyways. That is how it happened that vowel endings sometimes take -ს as the genitive marker which was -ჲს quoting Shanidze. I'll definitely check the old georgian grammar book again, but I've no doubt that it ended in ჲ bcs of the bible. I guess Abuladze was using წრფელობითი which was a case showing only the unchanged root. -Solarkoid (talk) 10:19, 4 September 2020 (UTC)