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Hi, Dixtosa. If you know Georgian well, you might be interested in these request pages: Wiktionary:Requested entries (Georgian), Category:Translation requests (Georgian), Category:Translations to be checked (Georgian), Category:Requests for etymology (Georgian), and Category:Georgian terms needing attention. —Stephen (Talk) 18:23, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Category:Georgian entries needing etymology--Dixtosa (talk) 14:28, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Welcome on board[edit]


Welcome to Wiktionary. Please add {{Babel-8}} to your user page. For example:


There are many Georgian requests to be filled! --Anatoli 23:49, 12 May 2011 (UTC)


I've made a few 'improvements', do you agree with them? Should Georgian script be bolded or not? --Mglovesfun (talk) 10:52, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I would agree, if i didnt make a mistake XD. sorry . first of all პლაგიატორი doesnt end with ობა :) . second of all i am pretty sure , there are a very little number of words in Georgian ending with ორი. So, i think category(i mean :Georgian nouns ending with ობა) &template(suffix) isn't needed.--Dixtosa 11:04, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

also, Should Georgian script be bolded or not. is it rhetorical question?:)Dixtosa 11:07, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
No, I (any administrator) can turn the automatic bolding off at {{Geor}}. --Mglovesfun (talk) 11:08, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Why should not be bolded? If in all(probably?) languages use that?Dixtosa 11:16, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
We don't bold Japanese, Chinese or Hebrew. The rest, I think, we do. --Mglovesfun (talk) 11:17, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
And if i think that it doesnt matter? :S. Let it be bolded : )--Dixtosa 11:24, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


I made a template for the Georgian Explanatory dictionary: {{R:ka:GED}}. You can use it like this. --Vahag 13:23, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

thx XD. i was intending to do: )--Dixtosa 13:28, 19 June 2011 (UTC)


Why did you put this into Category:Georgian verbal nouns? I think this category is for Georgian nouns derived from Georgian verbs. Also, doesn't Čikobava say it's from Russian плагиат (plagiat)? You obviously borrowed the word via Russian, not directly from Latin. --Vahag 13:48, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Verbal noun doesn't need to be derived from verb. if a word refers to an action (or a condition) and isnt a verb is verbal noun. In GED words which isnt derived directly is usually said(via russian or via blablabla). in this case that isnt written.
p.s. obviously?XDDixtosa 13:55, 19 June 2011 (UTC)


Hi, i would like to know if Georgian postpositions' entries should appear as "-entry" or simply as "entry". example "-ათვის" vs "ათვის" ? Which way should be used?

As our dictionaries include that words with hyphen, as we in store with hyphen, i would use hyphen here too.Dixtosa 18:35, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
ok thank you, then please help me to change the -ათვის page to ათვის.
thanks for your help. btw, what do you think of my work?

what do you mean? what works? contributions in Georgian language? i appreciate XD.Dixtosa 21:23, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

that is what i mean, my contributions of georgian, i am no mire than the most humble and inexperienced amateur out there, but knowing, that i will help others appreciate the great beauty of georgian and get acquainted with the language, in order to create a multinacional community of friends of georgia who want to know thw story of the country and eventually gear up everyone's efforts to develop with our minds this blessed by G-d, turning it into the country of us all kartuli fans, makes me put all of my passion into it. and knowing that a natieve giergian appreciates my work, makes me feel extremely fluttered. thx.
:) --Dixtosa 21:21, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


I think this can be used for nouns whose stems drop vowels. It just needs an optional second parameter. I can make {{ka-noun-c|წყალ|c'qal|წყლ|c'ql}} do the same thing as {{ka-noun-c-2|წყალ|c'qal|წყლ|c'ql}}. Basically it will be like this: The full code is basically |1=წყალ|2=c'qal|3=წყლ|4=c'ql, so I can make {{ka-noun-c}} use 3= and 4= if they're specified. If they aren't, those will just use 1= and 2=. I dunno if my explanation makes sense, but as long as the case-endings are the same, this would be a very simple change to make. — [Ric Laurent] — 00:31, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

understood... good idea, but wouldn't it overload the code? Dixtosa 12:01, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
no no, it's very simple. It just changes {{{1}}} to {{{1|{{{2}}}}}}. I'll try to do this soon so you can check it Out. — [Ric Laurent] — 12:07, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Stylistic plural[edit]

Gamarjoba! Can you explain me what "stylistic plural" is? I've been searching it on the Internet, failed to be successful so far. For example, what's the difference between საპნები and საპონნი? Thanks in advance :) Sinek 15:43, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

merhaba! : )). Well, I didn't translated it XD. So, it seems to denote pluralization in old Georgian. But this way of pluralization is maintained in modern Georgian. Moreover, sometimes stylistic plural is preferred. So, there isn't any difference except the age of usage XD. Dixtosa 15:52, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
So it's used mainly by elder people? :D Thank you so much! Sinek 15:53, 9 August 2011 (UTC)


IPA template should be proceeded by an asterisk (*). Also, should contain either slashes (//) or square brackets ([]). Furthermore, please use lang=ka to indicate Georgian. None of this stuff is vital, but it is nice to keep the format of the dictionary as similar as is possible over our 2.5 million entries. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:36, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Since i use own-made application for this, its no problem for me& i will take it into account : ). thx.
Oh and ʼ isn't an IPA character, is it? Mglovesfun (talk) 18:36, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
:S. dunno. Maybe is for Georgian alphabet only. 18:45, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


Hi there! I see where you have changed put horns => put horns; however, to put horn is not a common idiomatic expression worthy of its own entry, is it? Leasnam 18:42, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Imnt native speaker of english, nor germanist nor scientist somehow focused on English idioms XD. That idiom is googleable(XD) and that means that it deserves a single entry. -- 18:50, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Georgian conjugation[edit]

Hi Dixtosa, do you know much about Georgian conjugation? If so, it would great to include some in Georgian entries. Other languages represented here have conjugation tables for their verbs, such as Russian for example. There is a Russian template {{ru-conj}} which shows the conjugations in a nice template. I'd help, but I know nothing about Georgian, but I know something about conjugation on Wiktionary. Thanks for all the entries. --Rockpilot 16:03, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

No i dont know much. But i know enaugh to make a little(more little than we have here) table that includes all grammatical times with all persons, as i did in Georgian wiktionary(just a table, template for transitive verbs). If you look into it well you 'll notice that the size of a table is half of what we have here. I did it like that simply because i didn't understand what intransitive screeves was; Mayebe it is incorrect. Maybe we do not need such a big table. Maybe we'd better start with simple and then give it a diverse opportunities.
P.S., i always can translate that template (located in Georgian wiktionary) into English.
BTW, this may be used as a guidance.-- 16:35, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


Hi there Dixtosa, what's the plural of სექსუალური ორიენტაცია? Sinek 17:20, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

სექსუალური ორიენტაციები. well i have to make templates for two-word phrases. like this.-- 10:10, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. Well I'm currently working on sexual orientations in Turkish Wiktionary, and actually kinda busy in real life too :D I may try to update the templates here, based on those in Turkish Wiktionary. But does სექსუალური ორიენტაცია use the same template with არსებითი სახელი, as it ends in -a, and "noun" ends in -i? Sinek 11:49, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
I am busy too XD. No სექსუალური ორიენტაცია dsnt comply with Şablon:ka-ad-ünsüz, and yes, just because ორიენტაცია ends with a. Nouns in couples decline as if it were a single word. I should implement the "second word parameter" in all decl. templates.
btw, "working on sexual orientations" sounds weird man : )).-- 20:31, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Lol, my point is just to create related words; but yeah, just noticed that it sounds kinda weird to work on sexual orientations :D Sinek 23:45, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
One more question, does ჰეტეროსექსუალი means heterosexual? (And other orientations, ჰომოსექსუალი, ბისექსუალი ...etc.) And if I omit the -i at the end, would I get the adjective form? Like ჰეტეროსექსუალ კაცი, is this true? And lastly, I'm pretty sure there are some vulgar and slang terms for gay, lesbian, top, bottom etc. Could you please tell me? Thanks in advance :) Sinek 11:36, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, yes ჰეტეროსექსუალი is identical to heterosexual. And others too. Why on Earth should we have changed the meanings for the international words? : )). No, omitting the last -i doesnt make adjectives. When declining words' couples, the first(i.e. adjectives, I call them definers) declines differently(to be more precise, adjectives do not decline until they become noun(see nominalisation)) comparing to rules for nouns... So, and in two cases:dative and adverbal, adjective dismisses its last letter. How the second word declines I told you in my last post. So, პედერასტი and ცისფერი stand for a gay. But none of these words are vulgar. ლეზბოსელი for lesbian. this too. But believe or not we dont have words for top or bottom XD. or I don't know :S.-- 14:09, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Waow, thanks once more. But one point I couldn't get that, how's the adjective formation? I mean what are the adjectival forms of hetero-,homo-,bi- and asexual? Really? No vulgar terms? That's really surprising :D And really cool :D Sinek 17:07, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
There are some suffixes to make adjectives. But homo- and other blablabla- -sexuals are both: nouns and adjectives as in English.
Yep, no vulgar words for gay and lesbian etc., but a bunch of derogatory terms XD-- 17:17, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Ah ok it's clear now :D Thanks a million. I don't want to bother you but I really want to know such derogatory terms :) Any examples? Sinek 17:23, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
No problem, bother me. I love being bothered XD.
Oh, lemme not corrupt my talk page XD. Although, i'm sure you know where to get that kind of terms :D. You know there is a good project ,probably you have heard of it, called wiktionary. XD. -- 17:36, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Aww I love corruption :D Hmm I may have heard of it. Let me google it. LOL anyways thanks a lot :) Sinek 17:47, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


Could you please not sign with an IP address when logged in, WT:USER does say "[signatures] must not be offensive, misleading or promotional as described above." So please, using My preferences top right, change it. Thank you. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:36, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

What to do about Georgian verbs[edit]

Hi Dixtosa, thanks so much for all your work on Georgian here!

I know you're not too fond of all my requests for entries on Georgian verb forms, but there's some good reasons really.

In case you don't know I'm living in Tbilisi and trying to pick up Georgian by casual study and practice. I'm not doing a course but I do have a few textbooks. I've gotten to the point where I need some understanding of verbs.

Well Georgian is famous for being a difficult language, and its verbs are generally considered to be the most difficult aspect.

On Wiktionary we discussed a few years ago whether we should support inflected forms and later whether we should support forms with attached clitics. In both cases we decided we should ideally support both for a few reasons.

People with only a casual interest in a language may be curious about forms they find "in the wild" but unable to analyse a form into root, derivational morphemes, inflectional morphemes, and clitics.

So nobody's probably going to systematically sit down and try to write an entry for every cliticized version of every inflected, but when they're requested there's nice ways to make entries for those. Stephen G. Brown has made some good ones for instance in a few languages.

But for inflections some people do try to write an entry for each form, or write a bot to make the entries for them. Though of course we never expect anybody ought to go to this trouble but we appreciate it when they do.

So anyway I would like to, if you are interested, try to work together on a format and a set of templates to support really good Georgian verb paradigms and verb form entries. It seems you've already made some very nice templates.

There's lots of information packed into a Georgian verb so there's lots of challenges. Here's some ideas I've been toying with in my head for a few weeks.

  • Always list the root for each verb
  • Always list the preverb(s) each verb takes
  • List which screeve series/subseries it belongs to by name
  • Somehow handle the verbs which are made with several roots by suppletion. (I'm having a lot of trouble with the verbs for "to come/go" if you haven't noticed)

I can hang out in the IRC channel, talk about it here, via email, or meet up in person, whatever you want.

Let me know what you think. — hippietrail (talk) 12:10, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello. thank you too.
yep, every verb is irregular in Georgian :D. just kidding. things arent in such an awful state. Simply, they are not researched well, i think. There is no agreement, even this is one's opinion.
Writing a bot and working together sounds really good XD
I can write a template according to the article i mentioned above. I have already done in ka.wiktionary that for transitive words(class I per above). But I dunno if it is most correct, or is it worth writing now? assuming that a good paradigm might be discovered later XD. huh XD.
what about Skype?--Wikstosa (talk) 16:35, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
  • I'm not always logged in to Skype when I'm on the net but I have the same username there: "hippietrail" — hippietrail (talk) 11:45, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
OK, i added you on skype. but we can talk on FB too, if you wish. i am there more often than skype. if you prefer FB, sign in to skype, I will tell my name you there :D.--Wikstosa (talk) 15:31, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


Hi. Marr is not a serious source and Javakhishvili is a historian, not a linguist. What does Fächnrich's and Sarjveladze's dictionary say? --Vahag (talk) 08:52, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi. hehe, yes "Marr is not a serious source and Javakhishvili is a historian" :/. The word is not written in the Etymological Dictionary of the Kartvelian Languages.--Wikstosa (talk) 20:32, 22 March 2012 (UTC)


გამარჯობა! აი, აქ, ეს სიტყვები, რაცაა მოცემული უნდა ვთარგმნო ხო?--NikaJiadze (talk) 16:33, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

ხო თუ გინდა. ისე სახელზმნები თუ შეგხვდება ჯერ არ შექმნა, მათი შეტანის სტანდარტი(ჰედერის სახელი) არაა შემუშავებული აქ და ვცდილობ დავამკვიდრო. ხოდა შენი აზრით {{ka-verb}} უნდა გამოივყენოთ თუ {{ka-verbal noun}}? აი აქ დავწერე მაგის შესახებ.--Dixtosa 20:57, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


Hi Dixtosa. Now that I've left Tbilisi to hitchhike around Georgia I've been using my Georgian more conversationally even though I lack 99% of grammar it's been pretty successful. But I feel some important vocabulary gaps. I've requested translations but as you know the req pages and categories are pretty fat right now. Usually the dictionaries I have and can access online are vague about the senses and POSes or just have too many apparent synonyms. So that ones I really need I'll add here. I would be awesome if you felt like adding Georgian entries for them too because usually even when I learn a new verb I can't put it in dictionary form or most basic 1st and 3rd person present forms.

  • rest - has two common senses, one of which is both noun and verb in English: "You can take the rest of my chocolate", "I'm tired and need to rest", "I had a rest and now I can concentrate better".

I'll add more when I need them. Let me know when asking too much! — hippietrail (talk) 10:19, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

fyi, I finally came up with a standard I will be formatting entries consisting Georgiasn verbs, and you prolly want to know. so, cuz not all verbs have verbal noun, i ve decided to use third person future/present form as a dictionary form. So, although დაისვენოს has verbal noun (დასვენება) it is linked to დაისვენებს (third person, in this case, future form)--Dixtosa 13:42, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Request pages[edit]

Hey thanks again for all the fulfilled requests. Now that I'm travelling again and not in Tbilisi anymore I'm finding new gaps in my vocabulary so I'll surely be adding yet more.

But you really shouldn't remove fulfilled requests as soon as you answer them. That's something the requesters should do when he says his requests answered. In the case of ka:requests I guess at least 99% of them are from me (-: If you know you've answered something, and no further comment was made on it, and it's sat there ignored for a good while, then sure go ahead and remove the requests. But you know I'm here regularly if not every day (I just went camping for three days). And since the system provides no way to track requests the best way to do it is to look at the request page for blue links. If you remove the requests the OP won't see those blue links. You can't really expect that a requester will memorize all the words they request, especially if they request a lot or if a request takes a long time to answer.

Also I left a couple blue because I found their entries odd. One was an adjective with an English gloss "bully" which I didn't understand. I should've put a note about it. The other was the Georgian word for "Abkhaz", which I did put a not on that it seems to have another sense because I saw it on a menu. You should watch out for things like this when removing requests 'en masse'.

Other than this peeve, great work (-; — hippietrail (talk) 12:28, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

your right, its hard to remember all requested terms, but i think i eased your work: you dont have to seek for the blues any more :D, just compare versions :D. despite that i will not remove things there from now on :D.
as for abkhaz, are you sure about that? if yes, it may be a spello of აფხაზურა (apxazura).
as for bully, its შესანიშნავი. what did you not understand?--Dixtosa 12:07, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
Aha yes შესანიშნავი / bully. That sense of 'bully' is either very old-fashioned or might be used just in some places - not places where I've spent much time. So it doesn't make a good gloss for a word from another language unless the word has similar restricted use. Google Translate comes up with 'excellent' and 'wonderful', which both seem less unusual. By the way 'splendiferous' is also a bit quirky but at least not confusing like 'bully' which has a more common meaning similar to 'thug'. — hippietrail (talk) 09:04, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

By the way, when fixing mistakes like the shuki/shoki shock/electricity thing, it's a good idea to fix it in both directions. I added 'electricity' to the gloss for 'shuki' where it only had 'light', so you might want to check that that was the right thing to do. — hippietrail (talk) 09:04, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

i dont know in what context the word is usually used, but i do know that the mainings are the same. Also, feel very very very (:D) free to change entries made during around 2-10 April 2012 by me :D.--Dixtosa 19:58, 30 April 2012 (UTC)


გამარჯობა. I was wondering if not ქალიშვილი also has the meanings 'unmarried woman' and 'virgin'; as is suggested by a dictionary I am using. Njardarlogar (talk) 21:24, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

it does have.--Dixtosa 11:53, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Verb paradigm for გადახდა (to pay)[edit]

In studying Georgian verbs and getting nowhere but a sore brain I wonder if you could help me with the conjugation for this word.

For some reason I chose this word because it seemed simple but some of the forms I've found don't fit with the rules in my textbooks. (But I don't have it all written down here to spell out the problems.)

I don't need the whole thing, just the present, imperfect, and future. Thanks. — hippietrail (talk) 05:48, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

third-person present (lexeme), imperfect, future (lexeme)--Dixtosa 20:50, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
2nd-person present, imperfect, future--Dixtosa 20:53, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
1st-person present, imperfect, future--Dixtosa 20:55, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Translation requests[edit]

Woah I see you've been really busy answering tons of my Georgian translation requests - thanks very much! There were lots of basic vocabulary words that were not easy to get from the dictionary due to polysemy etc (-: — hippietrail (talk) 19:47, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


What is ძვ. an abbreviation of, such as used here? Njardarlogar (talk) 08:38, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

ancient greek.--Dixtosa 12:33, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


Hi again. What is the Georgian word for zeroth (0th)? Njardarlogar (talk) 09:54, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

both can be translated as ნულოვანი--Dixtosa 14:30, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Wordform frequency[edit]

I've been doing some work on Georgian word frequency.

I have a script that will download random Wikipedia articles and convert them to plain text.

I used it to grab 10,000 random pages, then removed the duplicates which resulted in about 9,000 pages still.

I then processed this data with vim to filter out all runs of Georgian letters. (Perhaps I should've permitted hyphens in words too?)

Then I have a script which normalizes the word forms, counts occurrences by normal form and particular form, then outputs a sorted list from most to least frequent, with the numbers.

Would you be interested in this list or the scripts? Or is their a place on Wiktionary to include it?

So far normalization only treats upper and lower case the same so is irrelevant for Georgian, but I can add whatever functionality to it.

I didn't think of supporting Asomtavruli and Nuskhuri at the time. I can make separate lists or add them to the normalization.

What I really want to add to the normalization is lemmatization though. Of course Georgian morphological analysis in notoriously tricky (-:

I don't know whether you have or want to acquire any programming experience, but you are more than welcome to help out if you find this interesting.

I also have a web app I've been working on to convert between Georgian script and transliteration. So far it works 100% correctly with the official transliteration we use here but I'm planning to add support for all other schemes too.

hippietrail (talk) 07:22, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Update: I've put the first 1,000 here: Wiktionary:Frequency_lists/Georgianhippietrail (talk) 12:44, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
line by line (:D):
3) very interesting :D in terms of mathematical probability.
4) yes you should.
5) since your normalization "only treats upper and lower case" is useless.
6) yes im interesetd in both. BTW, have you compared the list you obtained with the list I gave you in FB ?(if not it would be interesting to check. I hope the chat messages survived the deactivation of my FB account :D)
7) we can only add noun and adjective normalization, of course: If we could also add verb normalization there would be no difficulty making templates, making verb-form articles that you request etc.
8) Supproting Asomtavruli and Nuskhuri is an earthly redundant thing to waste time for, at this moment.
9) I repeat, noun lemmazation is quite possible (with the help of Georgian words' databases, one of which I have)
10) Of course It interests me, but i can not really understand a purpose of it. If you want to normalize all words in frequency list: I am here! :D (btw, I think that noun and verb forms need not to be lemmatized. If X is more common than its lemma Y, then X is still more common than Y :D). If you just want to ease your work - guessing lemmas, then use the software I have suggested to you in FB's chat (again FB :D).
11) As for me, I have python script for this :D. And it works 100% (sometimes even more :D) too.
12) Well, I will not touch noun/verb forms, but as I am (was) experienced user in ka:wikipedia, I'll remove all in-fact-not-frequent words :D. OK? One of the examples of such words is ქსე (abb. of ქართული საბჭოთა ენციკლოპედია - Georgian Soviet encyclopaedia), which is a name of widely used template in 12:09, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Well it's really hard to read your replies non interleaved so I guess I'll respond likewise. Sorry in advance if I get lost and mess it up ...

If you like I can put the source of all my Georgian-related tools up on Github. So far I just have the one I made to sort the Georgian requests page. I just added transliteration support to it:

So far only upper/lower case is supported. It's not useful for Georgian but the script works on any language. It could fold Asomtavruli and Nuskhuri but it turns out they're very rare even on ka.wikipedia. It could normalize hyphenated terms as unhyphenated variants if such exist. Etc.

I noticed you're not on Facebook anymore. I can't access our old messages. I'm not sure I kept any links you gave me there )-:

For nominal lemmatizing we would need to do steps: remove clitics such as -ts and -a, remove postpositions which are written as part of the word, remove case endings, remove plural morpheme if it's there, replace nominal case ending. But of course some of these steps are ambigous, some include messing with the final vowel, some include dropping a letter such as in megobari->megobrebi, and doubtless some stuff I forgot about and some stuff I never heard of. Oh and there's possibly some irregular forms. All while being sure not to allow bogus forms like megobarebi to slip through.

As it happens supporting Asomtavruli and Nuskhuri took almost no extra effort and in my sample of 10,000 pages I only got three words in Asomtavruli and none at all in Nuskhuri!

I can also use Wiktionary itself as a database of Georgian lemmata, as long as our format is standardized enough that I can parse it. I've done tons of Wiktionary dump file parsing before but haven't touched it for over a year now so I'm rusty and I'm sure my scripts are too.

If you really want to lemmatize the entire list by hand you are welcome. I can put the list itself up on github.

Lemmatizing tells us which words are most common rather than which forms are most common. So we would know how common "megobari" is even if it only gets 30% of occurrences and the rest is split between "megobrebi" and "megobrebis" or whatever. This is useful to me as a Georgian learner even if it's less interesting to Wiktionary. But I think it's interesting to both.

I never managed to get the software to work that you linked in Facebook, and now I don't even have the link.

Instead of removing the nonwords, could you just strike them out with


and follow them with a comment on why. That way I can code around them when getting new random samples in the future.

hippietrail (talk) 13:45, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

კლდე (klde)[edit]

Does კლდე (ḳlde) also mean rock as says it does? It's missing in the gloss here which only has less common English words. I could also add it to the See also section of "kva", "qenchi", etc. — hippietrail (talk) 08:41, 24 June 2012 (UTC)


Hi, I feel like bothering you again. What does ოვანი mean? It is used in the following sentence here: გრიგორიანულ კალენდარში არ არსებობს 0-ოვანი საუკუნე [...]. Thanks in advance. Njardarlogar (talk) 18:41, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

I just realised that 0-ოვანი could be interpreted as ნულოვანი. Is -ოვანი a suffix or a common word ending, perhaps? Njardarlogar (talk) 22:56, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Yes, 0-ოვანი is to be interpreted as ნულოვანი. I am not sure about the suffix (because Georgian explanatory dictionary doesnt have an entry for that), but at least it is productive. I remember several words ending with that sequence of characters (BTW, it is not limited to only numbers). see კუთხოვანი for insatnce.--Dixtosa 16:19, 2 July 2012 (UTC)


Hi, could you create an entry for this? :) Just thought it would be nice to have an actual entry seeing as I just deleted it after it was created with gibberish text. 50 Xylophone Players talk 13:20, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi, but i dont know Telugu (as GT suggested) at least it is not Georgian ))--Dixtosa 13:25, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Palkia is racist :) To him all squiggly letters look the same. --Vahag (talk) 14:10, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Hush up with your assumptions Vahagn. :P But, yeah I was in a hurry, so I didn't check from the "what links here"...I just thought it was Georgian, easy mistake to make when you haven't studied the language. :P 50 Xylophone Players talk 14:13, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
LOL. Mglovesfun (talk) 20:16, 13 July 2012 (UTC)


These are all from April 7th and 8th. Could you take a look?

Thanks in advance,
RuakhTALK 20:14, 13 July 2012 (UTC)


կռչեմ is Old Armenian. Where did you get it? --Vahag (talk) 22:03, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

I found it in this book while searching for agrav. Oh wait, the last reviewer is you, yeah?:D--Dixtosa 22:21, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
Yeah. I use that dictionary all the time ({{R:xcl:Bedr}}), but it's for Old Armenian. This is a very nice Modern Armenian dictionary. And this. --Vahag (talk) 23:11, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


Isn't this a form of the stem -არ-, like ვარ (var) is? Whatever the case, both entries should point to the lemma form here on Wiktionary. These are pretty crucial forms/words, so they should be treated in the best possible manner on Wiktionary. :-D Njardarlogar (talk) 19:42, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Probably it is, but I am not sure. არის is itself a lemma here :D.--Dixtosa 10:27, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


Hi, Dixtosa.

In ააბარგებს, shouldn't the masdar in the conjugation table be აბარგება? Thanks, Malafaya (talk) 11:49, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

As you may have already noticed that template is not finished yet. Yes, it would be better but much better if the template used verbal noun instead of masdar (as defined here, it's arabic verbal noun)--Dixtosa 11:55, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
I actually meant if the "tense" (perfective verbal noun/masdar) is correct in that table? Malafaya (talk) 13:44, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
I guess that I guess nothing :D. Verbal noun/masdar tense cannot be correct just because it is not a masdar at all.--Dixtosa 18:16, 27 August 2012 (UTC)



Could you shed some light on this, please? --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 04:54, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


Hi! Do you think this is sum-of-parts? It looks that way to me ("[[ბოშა]]-[[ქალი]]"), but I don't speak Georgian and I don't know if hyphenated sums-of-parts are allowed. - -sche (discuss) 09:15, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi. So, in other words you are intereseted in the role of a hyphen in the Georgian language, yeah?. It's hard to say, and also to find a source considering this matters, so all is up to my intuition :D. Err, my intuition suggest that we keep it for a while. Anyways, if I come acroos or come up with the same idea, I will tag it with RfD so you will get the answer.--Dixtosa 10:24, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Georgian lemma forms for verbs[edit]

Hi. I've made an example layout for how to handle the lemma form of verbs in Georgian. Let me know what you think. I personally think it would be best to give the English infinitive (and not "he/she/it will build him/her/it/them"), since it is a lemma form after all. Then the information regarding which form of the verb is considered the lemma would be provided in some other manner/elsewhere. I think they do something similar with Welsh verbs? Njardarlogar (talk) 10:57, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

First of all ააშენებს(future) is not a lemma here, but აშენებს (present), as we (or I xD) prefer a present form to be the lemma when a certain root can produce both forms: present and future (not every root can hold both tenses, rather the majority has only either presnet or future forms, producing either imperfective or perfective verbal nouns respectively).
Secondly, I, personally, would never go (at least manually) into depth like that. Besides, I dont think we need them now.
Thirdly, yeah he/she/it VERB him/her/it/them is the only drawback and embarrasingly bad thing about lemmas being verb forms. But you should see Latin lemmas (they also have verb form as the lemma).
Forthly, yeah "the information regarding which form of the verb is considered the lemma" would be nice... and I will do sooner or later.
I have no idea what Welsh verbs are like.
BTW, what's wrong with აკეთებს it is very informative--Dixtosa. 11:57, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
The deconstruction bit was to provide information on the various affixes (-ებ, -ს etc.), but their might be smarter ways of doing that (specifying which conjugation and so on).
აკეთებს lacks information on the root (-კეთ-), wouldn't it be best for the root to always be listed? Now you have to do stuff like recognising ა- and -ებ-ს in order to find the root, so you would need to know quite a bit about Georgian grammar already. Then again, one might not get that far with only the root, anyway.
I see now that the Latin lemmas are described in the same way, and it strikes me as a bit odd, as you may not be interested in that particular verb form at all. Njardarlogar (talk) 12:46, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
It is not the best idea but, yet, root truly is the useful information, but only in the etymology line, because the root is not usually an inflection of a verb form. Yes Latin & Georgian verbs' formatting are a bit obscure especially for nonnative speakers, but that is the best solution that I have come up with so far.
Regardless of what just has said, I would add root argument to ka-verb if you must. _-_Dixtosa. 15:09, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

I have just started reading about the verbs in detail, so I will drop the topic for now. By the way, which is the best lemma for the verb 'to read' according to you, then? (verbal noun კითხვა) კითხულობს? --Njardarlogar (talk) 19:15, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

see კითხვა. btw, feel free to suggest some ideas regarding formatting Georgian verbs. she/he/it method is, though working, but ugly to see. it's not late yet.--Dixtosa. 15:31, 9 September 2012 (UTC)


It looks like something's wrong with the conjugation table. Ultimateria (talk) 15:22, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Requested entries (Hebrew)[edit]

The more information you can give, the more likely that we can figure out or find out what you're thinking of. Did you come across these words somewhere? —RuakhTALK 17:51, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

They are just possible etymologies of some Georgian words, particularly
Several arguments rationalise this assumption:
  1. All aforementioned words, along with other Georgian words(see ბაითი, გოიმი) that most probably derived from Hebrew, are slang terms and came into the language colloquially.
  2. There were a great number of Jews in Georgia and as a result there is even a language called Judaeo-Georgian which has many Hebrew loanwords.
--Dixtosa_HERE IT IS xD_ 18:39, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Ex libris[edit]

Your edit here turned the plural form of "ex libris" into "ex libriss", which seems to be incorrect. I don't know how the Latin templates you used work, but maybe you could give it a look? Mr.choppers (talk) 22:16, 25 November 2012 (UTC)


Hi, shouldn't this be /tʃʰɑɪdɑnɪ/? If no, why is it transliterated with "'"? --Z 12:33, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

I actually used ka:დახმარება:IPA/ქართული IPA chart.
Dunno why it is transliterated so--user:Dixtosa 14:35, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Sandbox module[edit]

Everyone is allowed to make a module with their username (Module:User:Dixtosa) for testing purposes. —CodeCat 17:32, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

 : ))--user:Dixtosa 17:54, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Thoughts about improvements for Georgian[edit]

ბარო ბიჭო! So I've become a bit active in Georgian again, actively studying a lot at home and working on some software tools for stemming and analysing inflected Georgian words.

I've come to the conclusion that we really should include some additional information in the Georgian verb headword line to help non-Georgian-speakers with the difficulties of the languages.

I'm still struggling to learn Georgian verbs so correct me on any misunderstandings.

Lexical parts of Georgian verbs:

  1. Version vowel / Versioner / Pre-radical vowel -- optional
  2. Preverb -- optional
  3. Stem -- Mandatory
  4. Thematic suffix / Present-future stem formant / PFSF -- optional

By lexical I mean these parts of the verb must be learned when learning a new verb to be able to inflect it for tense, aspect, mood, etc. The other parts of the verb I didn't list because they're only used for inflection.

Now it's very hard for a non Georgian speaker to use a Georgian dictionary even when they know a bit about the language and know the alphabet. Just deciding which form is the lemma, and which parts are necessarily present in the lemma form is difficult.

Of the dictionaries, grammars, phrasebooks, teaching aids for Georgian I have, they do not agree on which form is the lemma. The dictionary definitely uses a verbal noun, I think perfective, but I'm not positive. The teaching aids each use different ways to include some of the information. They handle preverbs and noun class best but are less successful with version and PFSF.

I think we should try to include, for each verb lemma entry, specifically, all these parts clearly laid out, plus the noun class.

Even when you know all the preverbs there can be ambiguity in that the same sequence of letters is possible among the verb stem and version vowel. I think this is most common with the preverb მი-.

For each verb lemma entry should state whether the verb has a preverb or not, and what the preverb is.

Version vowels are also very tricky and I still don't understand everything. The books try to describe them but they all have ambiguous language which doesn't completely clarify them.

It seems each verb might "have" a version vowel, and if it does, it can be any of ა-, ე-, ი-, or უ-.

What I don't know is if it "has" a version vowel, will it have it in the lemma form when the lemma is the 3p singular present indicative? Sometimes I'm trying to look up a verb. I look look up the spelling starting with the preverb. If it's not there I start looking up starting at the next letter. Sometimes I've noticed that if the next letter is an ა that I might find it there in some dictionaries, but sometimes, in some dictionaries, I might have to look for it under the next letter.

So I know the version vowel changes depending on several factors, including the tense/screeve, the transitivity the person and number of direct and indirect objects, and the verb class. This is why I've used "scare quotes" when I say a verb "has" a version vowel. Because all verbs seem to have them depending on the inflection, but only some seem to have them even in the lemma form.

For every verb we need to state in the inflection line whether that verb "has" a version vowel, whether it's "always" there including in the lemma form, or whether it only occurs once you start inflecting, and of course which vowel it is for this verb. Remember that sometimes there seems to be a vowel at the beginning of the root so just because we can see one in the headword we (non native Georgian speakers) don't know if it's a version vowel or just a vowel that happens to be there.

Of course every verb has a stem and though they never occur on their own it's very important for foreign learners of the Georgian language to be able to spot them. For one thing knowing the stem helps you to find the word in dictionaries and word lists that don't use the same lemma form that Wiktionary uses.

Then for every verb we need to state whether the verb has a PFSF or not, and if so, which PFSF it has. This is also murky to us non Georgians because sometimes it seems some other PFSF will change into ებ in some inflections and words which don't use a PFSF in the lemma can appear with one in other forms, though in that case I think the PFSF is always the same and not "lexical". Also the PFSF ი being a single letter doesn't stand out and can probably also be a source of ambiguity. I don't know if ი can every be the last letter in a stem or if it can occur at the beginning of the suffixes that come after the stem and/or PFSF. But when you're learning you just don't know and it's very confusing.

For English verbs in Wiktionary we list transitive or intransitive. We could do this for Georgian verbs but it's another area that seems more complicated than English. All sources sort Georgian verbs into classes numbered with Roman numerals from I to IV. Besides that they differ and use words such as transitive, intransitive, active, passive, bipersonal, tripersonal, unipersonal, ergative, unergative, etc. These are just the words I can recall right now but there are others. I'm not sure which if any of this information we should include. But verb class / conjugation class is standard so we should include that.

Then there are some other parts of the Georgian verb which I haven't even tried to learn yet, such as the two different morphemes which can turn an active verb into a passive verb. I believe one is a prefix and one is a suffix. I'm not sure if either can lead to ambiguity in having similar letters to other parts of the verb which may occur just before or after them.

The next thing to think about is how to display this information. I think this matters less and can be tweaked as part of the templates. Let me use an imaginary verb stem "foo" (ფუუ) (-:

We could explicitly label each section.

შეაფუუებს (shefuuebs) class I preverb შე (she) version ა (a) stem ფუუ (fuu) theme suffix ებ (eb)

გამოფუუა (gamofuua) class II preverb გამო (gamo) version - stem ფუუ (fuu) theme suffix -

Or we could just leave out the labels since users will have read the About Georgian pages to learn the specifics of Georgian entries and do something like:

შეაფუუებს (shefuuebs) class I შე-ა-ფ-ბ

გამოფუუა (gamofuua) class II გამო--ფუუ-

Another way we could do it is with colour. Of course this would only help people who are not colourblind so we could use it along with the above formats.

We could include hyphens after the prefixes and before the suffixes, and how we should indicate missing optional parts, especially two missing in a row, could be done other ways. Perhaps X or ? or * or Ø, which is common in linguistics for missing "null" morphemes.

We could also think about whether to treat verbal noun entries as a kind of secondary lemma since they are used by some dictionaries and some users may be more used to them. I for one am never positive which parts are always included, always omitted, or optional in verbal nouns. I know the presence vs absence of the preverb distinguishes perfective from imperfective verbs. But I never know about version vowels and PFSF when it comes to verbal nouns. Maybe including just the noun class would be sufficient?

What do you think? Having these features will certainly help me understand Georgian verbs more quickly and make more sense of using my dictionaries and other Georgian books and resources. Then I'll be able to start making my own "form of" entries for those tons of red links I've added to the Georgian requested entries page (-: — hippietrail (talk) 08:08, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


Dixtosa джан, я тебе один умный вещь скажу, но только ты не обижайся. ბერძენი is a good candidate for WT:FWOTD, but it needs pronunciation and one citation. Can you add those? --Vahag (talk) 21:27, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

@Vahagn Petrosyan I think the etymology you provided is in fact a folk etymology. So I will find another one for FWOTD.
btw, where did you get the etymology from?--Dixtosa (talk) 18:05, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
I got it from Wikipedia. See Names of the Greeks, end of paragraph 3. It has several sources. --Vahag (talk) 18:49, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

How to figure out the Wiktionary lemma of a Georgian verb[edit]

I see you still haven't gotten around to responding to my previous wall of text so here's a practical example.

We don't have a Georgian translation for the English "to lie" as in "tell an untruth".

I want to add it but of course my dictionaries use the masdar as the lemma form. My dictionary lists მოტყუება. I don't know whether it belongs to conjugation I, II, III, or IV. I can see it has the preverb მო- and the PFSF -ებ, which leaves the root as ტყუ. I see most of the verb lemmas here end in -ს but not always and I'm not sure if our lemma should have the preverb or not, or whether it might need a pre-radical / version vowel that's not in the masdar. So I look at some Georgian wordform lists. Here on English Wiktionary the only related entry is მოტყუებით but in my collection of Georgian Wikipedia entries I find some more, a couple of which look like they could be the lemma I'm looking for: მოტყუება, ატყუებს, იტყუება. The first seems less likely since it ends in a vowel. The second has the expected -ს ending and doesn't have the preverb, which I guess is normal for the form we use as lemma? But it does seem to have a pre-radical/version vowel ა-. This seems to be the most usual version vowel in lemma forms but my reading tells me you have to remember the version vowel with a verb since it can't be determined logically. Which makes the third form also a possibility.

Can you help clarify this for me so I can contribute Georgian verb entries and translations in English verb entries? — hippietrail (talk) 03:25, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

I am having final exams in university, and ill reply both of your posts when I'm finished.--user:Dixtosa 10:13, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Aha - წარმატებებს გისურვებ!! (-: — hippietrail (talk) 11:36, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

და სხვ[edit]

Is სხვ an inflected form of სხვა? --Njardarlogar (talk) 11:32, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Nominals, at least adjectives, drop the case ending in a couple of cases when used attributively. I forget which cases for now. — hippietrail (talk) 09:47, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
@Njardarlogar, No.--user:Dixtosa 09:55, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Ah I see it's only dative and adverbial cases and only for adjectives ending in -ი Wikibookshippietrail (talk) 09:56, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Alright; so what is სხვ then? Found e.g. here in this context: მდინარე ძირულას ხეობაშია გაშენებული სოფლები ქვედა წევა, ბორითი, შროშა და სხვ. It seems to mean "others". --Njardarlogar (talk) 14:49, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
@Njardarlogar სხვ. is an abbreviation of სხვა (sxva). and yes this is very dumb abbreviation.--Dixtosa (talk) 18:08, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

ენების სახელები[edit]

გამარჯობათ. Is the ena bit such an integral part of names of languages in Georgian that we need pages like სომხური ენა rather than having the sense 'language' covered at the page სომხური? --Njardarlogar (talk) 14:41, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

In my optinion, it is not. And I tried didn't I? At least I did that.--user:Dixtosa 17:52, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


თუ რაიმე სასიცოცხლო ინფოს ამოვშლი, შეგიძლია ხელახლა ჩაამატო. ეტიმოლოგიებს ვასწორებ, სიტყვების დამახინჯება კი არ მაქვს მიზნად. ქართველი არა ხარ? --Dj777cool (talk) 21:25, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

მეღადავები? შენი ამოშლილები მე ვამატო? ჩემ სტატიებზე სადაც წყარო მაქ მითითებული უმეტესობაზე წყაროდ მაქვს ქეგლი (რეფერენსებში არ მიწერია ხოლმე უბრალოდ). --user:Dixtosa 09:51, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Imperfective/perfective verbs[edit]


I have a question. Do Georgian verbs have imperfective/perfective aspect distinction? Do they exist in pairs, like Russian де́лать impf (délatʹ, to do, to be doing)/сде́лать pf (sdélatʹ, to do, to have done)? მადლობა. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 00:14, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

@Atitarev well, I changed {{ka-verbal noun}} using ru-verb as a model, because, yes, I found it very similar to Russian infinitives.
Not entirely like Russian though - Georgian pf and impf forms are kind of interchangeable (unlike Russian), and Georgian impfs don't produce future tense. But other than that they are really alike. For example, pfs only produce past and future tenses in both languages. And they exist in pairs (and sometimes either pf or impf is missing from a pair)
btw, why ask? is it like a seldom thing or what?--Dixtosa (talk) 21:19, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for answering. One reason is the tool User:Conrad.Irwin/editor.js, which now has impf/pf labels for all Slavic languages. It may need the same for Georgian, if you confirm that's required. Yes, it's quite rare. I only thought that Slavic languages have this feature. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 23:21, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
The thing is, my understanding of Georgian verbs is still poor and, as a result, situation of Georgian verbs is messed up here XD. So let's just avoid bold decisions and wait until I have a solid, less prone-to-change idea about how we treat Georgian verbs and verbal nouns.--Dixtosa (talk) 17:59, 6 August 2014 (UTC)


Seeing as you were the one who designed this template, I thought you should be informed of this discussion. Thanks. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 07:09, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

wiktionary:Translation requests#Georgian to English[edit]

Hi, could you take a look at this? 12:05, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Module error[edit]

There's a module error introduced by your code for the Georgian word for "moon". Take a look at Category:Pages with module errors.

Benwing (talk) 12:14, 10 August 2014 (UTC)


I'm pretty sure you added that entry to my website! :D Thank you for doing that! NativeCat drop by and say Hi! 03:09, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

ვიზუალური ლექსიკონი[edit]

ქართულ საკვანძო ტერმინებს ( თავი, სახე, სხეული ) ისეთივე გრაფიკები შევუსაბამე ტერმინებითურთ, როგორც უცხოურებს აქვთ. შეგიძლია შენც დამეხმარო. ისე მიკვირს, აქამდე რატომ არ გააკეთე ეს უჩემოდ. :)) აქედან რაც ყველაზე საჭიროა იმეებს გავაკეთებ, როცა მოვიცლი [[1]]. --ReordCræft (talk) 22:34, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

ქართული ანბანის რომანიზაცია/ლათინურ შრიფტზე გადაყვანა[edit]

ISO 9984 (1996 წ.) რომანიზაციის სტილს ვიყენებთ, რამდენადაც მივხვდი. ესაა ყველაზე გავრცელებული და მიღებული სახესხვაობა? სხვა ხომ არ გვეცადა? --ReordCræft (talk) 18:10, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

არაოფიციალური გამორიცხულია ))
ეროვნული ჩამოლაბორანტებულ ასოებზე არაფერს ამბობს. და თან ერთი ასოსთვის ორ სიმბოლოს იყენებს. kh როგორ უნდა გაიგოს კ და ჰ არის თუ ხ.
BGN/PCGN ამასაც იგივე პრობლემა აქვს.
ALA-LC, ამასადა იზოს შორის დიდი განსხვავება არაა. ზოგიერთ ასოზე ჰორიზონტალული დიაკრიტის მაგიერ იყენებს წერტილს. და კიდე ჯ აქვს ჩვეულებრივი j. რავიცი ISO უფრო ცნობილივით არ უნდა იყოს?: დ
ისე ჩემთვის დიდი მნიშვნელობა არ აქვს - ნებისმიერ დროს შეიძლება შეცვლა მარტივად. --Dixtosa (talk) 18:48, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

ხო მემგონი ასეა :დ იყოს რაცაა, რადგან ვიქსიკონის ოფიციალური გაიდლანი ითხოვს მაგას, ჩვენ ძაანაც რომ გვინდოდეს ალბათ ვერ შევცვლით და მაინცდამაინც არცაა საჭირო. მისმინე, სხვა რაღაც მაინტერესებს. სხვა ენებზე რომ ვამატებ ვიქსიკონში სიტყვებს შენი სკრიპტის დახმარებით, გვერდით უწერს ქართულ ტრანსლიტერაციისთვის საჭირო კოდს, რაც არასაჭიროა. ადრე ასე არ შვებოდა.. რაღაც დროებითი ხარვეზია თუ ხელით სჯობს ჩავამატო ყველა სხვა ენის თარგმანი? --ReordCræft (talk) 16:33, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

ითხოვს კი? არ ვიცი, არ მაქვს წამიკითხული ეგეთები xD
თარგმანების სკრიპტი არაა ჩემი. თუ შეცდომაა სკრიპტში დავწერ აქ და გაასწორებენ მარა არამგონია შეცდომა იყოს. ang-ზე ვცადე შეტანა და სწორად შეიტანა (ბევრი ვეცადე, მარა ეგეთი რამე მაინც ვერ მივაღწევინე :დ). ეცადე დააკვირდე როდის აკეთებს ამგას. --Dixtosa (talk) 17:06, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

ანუ არ აკეთებდა ადრე და ახლა აკეთებს. ხასიათები ეცვლება სკრიპტს თუ.. :დ --ReordCræft (talk) 22:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)


Hi. დრუნჩი (drunči) looks like an interesting parallel to դունչ (dunčʿ). As far as I can tell, Armenian etymological sources do not know about it. Can you check if it is attested in Old Georgian? Also, what does დრუნჩა (drunča) mean? --Vahag (talk) 10:57, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

I can't, as there is no Old Georgian corpus. So I am left with only {{R:oge:Abuladze}}, which does not include it. Probably it did not exist in Old Georgian, for the sense muzzle it had ნიჩური (ničuri).
დრუნჩა (drunča) created. --Dixtosa (talk) 12:42, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. --Vahag (talk) 14:37, 15 March 2015 (UTC)


Hi. As a Georgian speaker, is ნაღველი (naɣveli) etymologically transparent to you? Can there be a relation with ღვიძლი (ɣviʒli)? --Vahag (talk) 09:17, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

No. Zero idea.--Dixtosa (talk) 14:43, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

სიტყვების თარგმანები[edit]

ალბათ შეამჩნიე რომ რაღაც სიტყვების თარგმანებს ვცვლი. ზოგი სიტყვა მომიჯნავე შესატყვისებით/განსაზღვრებებითაა განმარტებული და ასე რომ ვთქვათ დროებით ივარგებს, წავა, მიახვედრებს ვინმეს თავის დაახლოებით მნიშვნელობას, მაგრამ ზოგ სიტყვას აბსოლუტურად არასწორი განმარტებები აქვს. შენი ბრალი ეს არაა ვხვდები, უბრალოდ ავტომატიზირებულ სიტყვების შექმნას ალბათ ეს რისკი ახლავს თან..--ReordCræft (talk) 15:55, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

bestowal არ არის "აბსოლუტურად არასწორი" თარგმანი.
პრობლემა მანდ (და საერთოდ ყველა სტატიის) არის მხოლოდ ის რომ ყველა თარგმანი არის ერთ ხაზზე. ნიჭი (nič̣i) სიტყვის ის მნიშვნელობა რომელიც აღნიშნავს საჩუქარს (sačukars) / ის რაც უბოძეს (is rac uboʒes)) უნდა ყოფილიყო ცხადია ცალკე ხაზზე.
მარა რაც მთავარია უმეტესობა სტატია მაინც კარგია და ზოგიერთ შემთხვევაში მიხვედრადიც არის რომ ორ ხაზზეა გადასაწერი განმარტებები (მაგალითად ურანი). ზოგჯერ საკმაოდ კარგი სტატიაც გამოდიოდა, თარგმანების სიუხვის კუთხიდან. მაგალითად უხეში, თუმცა ამასაც უნდა ორ ხაზად გაყოფა :დ.
პ.ს. ის ფაქტი რო ერთ ხაზზეა განმარტებები ჩემი ბრალია აბა ვისია xD, მაგრამ აქ ასეთი ლოგიკაა: ის სიტყვარი, რომელიც გამოვიყენე აქ გადმოტანის მერე დავხვეწე და გავაუმჯობესე ანუ საქმე გაკეთდა. ანუ ფაქტობრივად ერთი სიტყვარი ჩამოვიშორე კონკურენტებიდან )). --Dixtosa (talk) 16:35, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

ნიჭი bestowal არ არის, თუმცა მინიჭებულის შესაბამისი ნამდვილადაა. ვეცდები ჩავასწორო როცა წავაწყდები უზუსტობებს ისე რომ არაფერი წავშალო, შეგიძლია შენც შეიტანო მერე ჩასწორებები. კარგ საქმეს რომ აკეთებ, ეგ ერთმნიშვნელოვანია. კი არ განამუსებ აქ, ან კი რა უფლებით. :)) შემდეგში თუ შესაძლებლობის ფარგლებში იქნება, ისე მოახდინე ავტომატიზირება, გაიმეოროს ლექსიკონშივე არსებული აზრობრივი დაყოფა --ReordCræft (talk) 21:59, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

წინარექართული ასოები[edit]

გამარჯობა :) ადრე ნათქვამი გაქვს კარგი იქნება წინარექართული ლათინური ასოებით რომ შეიტანოო და ახლა ზუსტად მაგას ვცდილობ. თხელი -ამაში წინარექართული 'ხ' გამოვსახე როგორც ლათინური 'x' და მაინტერესებს ეს რამდენად გამართულია? ან საერთოდ არის თუ არა სადმე ინფორმაცია წინარექართულის -> ლათინური ასოებით დაწერის შესახებ? -Simboyd (talk) 10:24, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

გამარჯობა. გილოცავ აღდგომას (if applicable...)
მე არ მითქვამს ლათინურად უნდა იყოს მეთქი, უბრალოდ გამოვხატე დაურწმუნებლობა რომ ქართული ნამდვილად ოპტიმალური იყო თუ არა. რატომ გამოვხატე? იმიტომ რომ დარწმუნებულობა მნიშვნელოვანია მაშინ როცა უკვე აქტიურად ამატებ წინარექართველურებს და შესაბამისად ბევრ არტიკლში უკვე ინახება ქართული ვარიანტი. ბევრი სტატიის შეცვლა კი არასდროსაა სასიამოვნო პროცესი. ამიტომ ვაფასებ სტანდარტებს.
ზუსტად ეს იდეა იდო იმაშიც როცა გთხოვე oge-noun ნუ ხმარობ მეთქი.
რაც შეეხება მეორე ნაწილს, again, "მე არ ვარ დარწმუნებული რომ ლათინური უნდა გავმოყენოთ" )))
seriously, ფენრიხს აქვს გერმანულადაც ცალკე დაწერილი სხვათაშორის და იქ x-ს ხმარობს კი თხელის ადგილას. მაგ წიგნის თარგია ეს: {{R:ccs:Fähnrich:2007}}--Dixtosa (talk) 15:53, 14 April 2015 (UTC)


Since others might get interested in this, I'll try to post this one in my broken English. Do you think we need to have separate Proto-Georgian-Zan language templates? About 70% of Klimov's work is based around Proto-Georgian-Zan reconstructions and since we're actively using citations from his books, we have come to face certain difficulties due to this multiple times now. Check out გზა, ყიდვა, პილენძი, მყარი, etc. Simboyd (talk) 19:30, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

I do not think Proto-Georgian-Zan is a dialect of Proto-Kartvelian.
I asked for a new language code in Beer parlour.--Dixtosa (talk) 16:03, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Module:character info and purportedly Georgian terms at WT:WE[edit]

Hello Dixtosa. First of all, thank you (again) for adding autogenerated decimal entity numbers to Module:character info. It's nice to run into an active Georgian contributor. There are two terms at WT:WE that are marked with the ISO code for Georgian, ka, namely პარაბოლანი (ṗarabolani) and нан (нан). The latter looks suspect to me, being written in Cyrillic, but the former seems legitimate; would you be able and willing to create an entry for პარაბოლანი (ṗarabolani) and to explain what's going on with нан (нан), please? Thanks in advance. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 07:30, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello. No probs.
Whence came პარაბოლანი? It might mean a steroid Parabolan (never heard it before though) or a very awkward archaic plural of პარაბოლა (ṗarabola, parabola). In any case, I will not create an entry for it, because if rfv'ed I will not be able to cite it ))
нан for sure isn't Georgian. Probably we should ask @Type56op9 diff--Dixtosa (talk) 12:32, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Don't ask me, I'm just a girl! --Type56op9 (talk) 12:49, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
@Dixtosa: It probably is just that archaic plural. Would you mind if I create it just to get it off the list?
@Type56op9: Where did you get that list, may I ask?
 — I.S.M.E.T.A. 14:20, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't remember. --Type56op9 (talk) 08:07, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
@Type56op9: Do you mind if I remove нан (нан) from the list, then? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 18:46, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @Dixtosa: პარაბოლანი may refer to the Parabalani. Do you know the Georgian term for this group of people? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 14:34, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

No. Is it necessary to make entries for every word that happen to appear on the wanted list? just in case you do not remember, you added that term on the list.--Dixtosa (talk) 09:27, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
I suppose, strictly speaking, no. But if it's a legitimate term, what reason is there not to add it? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 16:04, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
I did not say it was a legitimate term. Which sense seems legitimate? I mentioned Parabolan only because the only google result (from an internet forum) used this term in this way.
As for plural, I guess I haven't made myself clear. Not all inflectional forms of Georgian nouns necessarily exist. Generally, newer terms like parabola, do not have archaic plural. Thy computer. --Dixtosa (talk) 16:44, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
I see. Should the archaic forms be removed from პარაბოლა, in that case? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 17:50, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, we can't afford correcting every single word. It does not harm too much anyways. BTW, I was going to place a note below the table in the template explaining that the archaic plural section shows how these forms would look like without giving any implications about their existence. --Dixtosa (talk) 18:30, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
That sounds like a good idea. Do you care to add that note? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 22:27, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
I added a note only in {{ka-infl-noun}} (others are deprecated and will be deleted soon). --Dixtosa (talk) 19:25, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
OK, thanks. Shall I remove პარაბოლანი (ṗarabolani) from WT:WE? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 19:35, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Thanks for that. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 23:38, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

სვანური ლექსიკონი[edit]

გამარჯობა :) ამ ლექსიკონს სვანური referenceებისთვის რამენაირად ვერ გამოვიყენებთ? ასეთი ტიპით რომ იყოს მაგალითად:

  • "კაკალ" in Varlam Topuria (1964), Svan Dictionary, Tbilisi, page 123

გამარჯობა. წიგნია და რათქმაუნდა შეგვიძლია ესეიგი. რეპრინტი ესაა მგონი. დაჟე ხელმისაწვდომია. 964 სად წაიკითხე? ქალდანიცაა მისამატებელი. --Dixtosa (talk) 14:44, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

წიგნის გამოყენებაც შეგვიძლია, მაგრამ მე თვითონს ონლაინ ვერსიის გამოყენება მინდოდა, რადგან მაქედან უშუალოდ ცალკეული სიტყვაა ხელმისაწვდომი და წყაროებში გამოსაყენებლად კომფორტული იქნებოდა. თუ ეს შეუძლებელია, მაშინ წიგნის PDF ვერსია გამოვიყენოთ, თუ დევს სადმე. Simboyd (talk) 16:42, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
უი არასწორად გავიგე /
კი დევს. არქივზე შენ ატვირთე ხო ისინი? ესაც მიაყოლე და გამოვა მერე რამე. --Dixtosa (talk) 17:02, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
ანუ როგორც მივხვდის ვერ გამოვიყენებთ, ხომ? :) კარგი ჯანდაბას, ისევ PDF-ის დაის იმედზე დავრჩეთ. თარგს თუ შექმნი ძალიან დამავალებ, იმიტომ რომ, როგორც იცი ბევრი არაფერი გამეგება wikimarkupზე :D Simboyd (talk) 17:38, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
არა, ოღონდ ჩემს ძალებს კი არ აღემატება xD (ჩემი სკილები შეგიძლია იხილო აქ xDD, სადაც ასეთი ტიპის ლინკებს ვაგენერირებ
ტექნიკურ ენაზე რო გითხრა, იყენებს POST მეთოდს სიტყვის მოსაძებნად და არა GET (ვინიცობაა დაგაინტერესა :D)
ისე, არაა აუცილებელი ყველა წყაროს გვერდი მიუთითო ამიტომ დაიკიდე მაინცდამაინც იუზერი თუ ვერ ნახავს კომფორტულად.
მარკაფს რაც შეეხება, რა გინდა კაია ეგ... მეც ვაკოპირებ ხოლმე და ისე ვაკეთებ :D
P.S. მაინცდამაინც თუ გინდა რო გვერდების მითითების გარეშე გადავიდეს გვაქვს ასეთი ვარიანტები:
  1. ეგ პედეეფი გადმოვაკოპიროთ პირდაპირ აქ. ოღონდ არ ვარ დარწმუნებული რო ქოფირაითის წესებს არ დავარღვევთ.
  2. ან საიტი გავაკეთო იდეაში და იქ ჩავყარო ეგენი. უფასო კაი რამე თუ გავჩითე გავაკეთებ არაა პრობლემა (თუ პედეეფი გავპარსე ოღონდ)--Dixtosa (talk) 17:51, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
არა, არ გვინდა მაშინ, PDFიდან სიტყვების სათითაოდ ამოკრება ზედმეტად შრომატევადია და ეგ wiktionaryს მომავალ თაობას მივაბაროთ :D ავტვირთავ მაშინ archive.orgზე და როგორც სხვა თარგებშია ისე გავაკეთოთ აქაც. ქართული ეტიმოლოგიები რო მომბეზრდება სვანური სიტყვების დამატებას მერე დავიწყებ :) Simboyd (talk) 18:02, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

@Simboyd: ეს ვიპოვე ინტერნეტში. Just letting you know.--Dixtosa (talk) 16:51, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

გაიხარე, მაგის თარგსაც შევქმნი მაშინ. Simboyd (talk) 17:58, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Inappropriate place for En wiki[edit]

Why is it inappropriate to link to an En wiki article about someone with the name Polanski? Somebody else did the same thing in the Freud entry, . --PaulBustion88 (talk) 19:55, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

First, you want to consider under which two-level header you put the template. It was out of any language-level header.
Second generally, {{wikipedia}} links to the language within which it is used.
Third, I think that template is used to link to Wikipedia when the term has one principal definition. All I mean is that it should not differentiate senses. (again, this is my guess, but prolly right).
So in this case if you really want to link to Wiki then use ==External links==
P.S. Is Polański in Polish used to refer to Roman Polanski in sources that are not about him? --Dixtosa (talk) 20:10, 5 May 2015 (UTC)


სა- -ე ცირკუმფიქსით უკეთ არ აიხსნება? სრა+სახლი ვერ ხსნის რ-ს დაკარგვას და ასევე ვერ ხსნის ე-თი დაბოლოვებას. ორივე ეს აიხსნებოდა ჩვეულებრივი მამაპაპური ცირკუმფიქსით :D --Simboyd (talk) 17:40, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

სიტყვის ცხოვრებაში წავიკითხე ეგ. წიგნი კი ისევ მაქ მარა არ ვიცი როგორ მოვძებნო რო მეტი გითხრა : (.
პ.ს. ისე ახლა ვაპირებდი მოწერას ზუსტად გადმოსაკონტრრევოლუციონერებლებისნაირებისათვისაცო ამაზე. სიმართლე გითხრა და არ მომწონს ეს ცანცარა და ხელოვნური სიტყვები და არ გინდა რო წავშალოთ? ანუ წესი ასეთია რო სიტყვას როგორც მინიმუმ სამი გამოყენება უნდა მოეძებნოს რო დატოვონ აქ. ხოდა თუ მოძებნი და რამე დავტოვოთ თუ გინდა მარა არამგონია იპოვო რამე :დ--Dixtosa (talk) 17:57, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
ინტერნეტში ექნება ალბათ გამოყენება (სამწუხაროდ გუგლი 35 ჩარზე მეტს ვერ ქაჩავს და ვერ მოვნახავ ასე ადვილად) და წიგნების ქექვა მართალი გითხრა მაგისთვის მაგრა მეზარება. წავშალოთ მაშინ არაა პრობლემა, მაგრამ იდეის დონეზე კარგი აზრი ჩანდა. სიტყვის ცხოვრებას რაც შეეხება, ძიძიგური თუ იდიოტია ეს არ ნიშნავს რომ ჩვენც იდიოტები უნდა ვიყოთ :D რაღაც შუალედურს მოვიფიქრებ მაშინ. თუ ვერ შევთანხმდით კიდე ძაღლი მიაკვდა სულში :D --Simboyd (talk) 18:07, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
არაფერ შუალედურს არ მოიფიქრებ წყაროს გარეშე )).
პ.ს. w:ka:შოთა_ძიძიგური არაა იდიოტი.--Dixtosa (talk) 18:25, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

DixtosaBOT's removal of manul transliteration[edit]


I have to ask you to reverse all removals of manual transliterations from Russian entries, like diff where a term has an irregular pronunciation. CodeCat's bot already fixed redundant transliterations and added accents (stresses) in the past and all manual transliterations are where they need to be for irregularly pronounced words. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 07:47, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't know. I thought it was fully automatic.
That was the only edit. DixtosaBOT is not a bot yet and I only use this from my work. --DixtosaBOT (talk) 08:22, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
But @Atitarev, isn't transliteration only about representing one set of letters with another? What does pronunciation have to do with that? We do not use two letters for Russian д (one for д that is followed by i and other otherwise), do we?. --DixtosaBOT (talk) 08:34, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
When б, в, г, д, ж, з are devoiced or о and е are reduced, it's predictable. You just need to know the Russian alphabet and the rules of the Russian phonology but the difference in pronunciation of тест and текст is completely unpredictable. This topic was discussed many times. I just don't want to go through this again. The exceptions are described here WT:RU TR. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 10:49, 3 June 2015 (UTC)


I'm a bit confused by Citations:Linux. I think you forgot the quotes from the 2013 and 2014 books. --Daniel 16:09, 6 June 2015 (UTC)


გამარჯობა. იცი რამ მაინტერესებს, როცა რეკონსტრუქციაში ერთ-ერთი ასო ფრჩხილებშია ჩასმული, ეს რა პონტია? ანუ ავტორი უშვებს ამ ფონემის არსებობასაც მაგრამ ამავდროულად არ გამორიცხავს მის არარსებობასაც, ხო? უფრო მარტივად რო აგიხსნა: თუ ფენრიხი აღდგენს *buz- მორფემას და კლიმოვი *buz(w)- მორფემას, შედიან თუ არა ისინი ერთმანეთთან წინააღმდეგობაში? --Simboyd (talk) 16:26, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

ფრჩხილები ალბათ მართლაც დაურწმუნებლობას ნიშნავს. რაც შეეხება წინააღმდეგობას, არვიცი მაგრამ მე ასე გავიგებდი რომ ეწინააღმდეგებიან რადგან ფენრიხი არ აღადგენს როგორც ბუზუ, მაგრამ ჩვენ უნდა რაღაცნაირად გავაერთიანოთ მათი აზრები არაფერი დაშავდება თუ უფრო მეტად "ლიბერალურ" ვერსიას buz(w) -ს დავწერთ მხოლოდ. ბოლოსდაბოლოს unattested სიტყვებთან გვაქ საქმე არაფერია აქ მაინც ზუსტი... --Dixtosa (talk) 17:32, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Edit conflict[edit]

LOL at the fact that we apparently edit conflicted in a discussion about edit conflicts. :p - -sche (discuss) 17:04, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

The discussion had a metagasm.--Dixtosa (talk) 17:06, 13 June 2015 (UTC)


გამარჯობა. აბაევის ეტიმოლოგიური ლექსიკონის სტილში ვეძებ რამე წიგნს, ოღონდ ქართული სიტყვებისთვის. მარტო ერთი წარმოშობის სიტყვების მაგივრად ყველანაირი წარმოშობის სიტყვები რომ იყოს განხილული (წინარექართული, არაბული, სპარსული და ა.შ). გვაქვს ასეთი რამე? :დ --Simboyd (talk) 15:42, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Question Nº 3.
ეგ მაწუხებდა მეც სულ. რატომღაც ყველა არიდებს თავს ზოგიერთ სიტყვებს (ბევჯერ ამათ რიცხვში შედის ხშირად გამოყენებადი სიტყვები: მაგიდა, ნიადაგი, მანქანა etc.), რაც მიტოვებს შთაბეჭდილებას თითქოსდა მათ ცხადი ეტიმოლოგია ჰქონდეთ და ყველამ ისედაც იცის :D.
მგონი იგივე ვიკითხე აქ ოდესღაც და ვერ მივიღე პასუხი. კიდე ვცდი :D. ისე მაგ თემას რო თვალი გადავავლე ვფიქრობ რომ მასეთი ერთი ყოლისმომცველი წიგნი არ არსებობს, მაგრამ ბევრი და პატარა არსებობს. --Dixtosa (talk) 16:11, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
მამენტ ასეთი პატარა წყაროები საკმარისად რო გავჩითოთ მეტი არც არაფერი დაგვჭირდება. მაგრამ ნუთუ ისეთი ცოტა ლინგვისტი გვყავს ქვეყანაში რომ არცერთს არ მოსვლია თავში ასეთი წიგნის გაკეთება? უცნაურია. --Simboyd (talk) 16:52, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

სადაც ეს საზიზღრობა დევს იქაც საშოს სურათი რო იყოს დაშავდება ვითომ რამე? :დ პ.ს. სტაროსტინის, კლიმოვის, ფენრიხ-სარჯველაძის და მაგის გერმანული ვარიანტის გარდა არის რამე წყარო (ინტში ხელმისაწვდომი) პროტო-ქართველურზე? კარგი იქნებოდა ვინმე სხვა ავტორის მოსაზრებებიც გამოგვეყენებინა. --Simboyd (talk) 21:37, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

აღარ დევს :დ. ჩემი დამატებული იყო მინდოდა დამენახებინა ზოგიერთი აქაურისთვის რომელიც წინააღმდეგი იყო ასეთი სურათების დამალვის თუ რა ცუდად შეიძლება დამთავრებულიყო ვიქსიკონის საქმე.
არვიცი :დ--Dixtosa (talk) 12:22, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Try also:

  • Kldiashvili, Nino; Kldiashvili, Levan; Kldiashvili, Roland — Saert’ashoriso sitqvat’a ganmartebit’i lek’sikoni — 2009
  • N. Bartaya — Kartulši šemosuli sparsuli leksika — 2010

Both are available online. As far as I know, no comprehensive etymological dictionary of Georgian exists. --Vahag (talk) 12:01, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I found the second one here. --Simboyd (talk) 12:28, 7 July 2015 (UTC)


გამარჯობა. ამას გავასწორებთ რამენაირად? ყველგან მიგდებს სადაც ==Georgian==-ს ვერ ხედავს. --Simboyd (talk) 11:43, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

აუ მთელი დღე გაწუხებდა ეგ? :დ ბოდიში : (
კიდევ გიგდებს? --Dixtosa (talk) 16:36, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
არა, გასოწრდა უკვე. გაიხარე --Simboyd (talk) 16:53, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

იმ ჩემისამ კიდე ერთი bugი აღმოუჩინა სკრიპტს: ასეთ მომენტებში დედისერთა პარამეტრს უშლის სიტყვას. თუ შეგიძლია, კარგი იქნებოდა თუ მოუხერხებდი რამეს :) --Simboyd (talk) 10:03, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

მდაჰ. ძალიან ცუდია. სახლში მანამ არ მივალ ვერ გავასწორებ (სადღაც 3სთ). ისე თუ ასეთი რამე მოხდება ხოლმე (თუმცა იმედია ბოლოა :დ დღეს სერიოზულად შევხედავ უკვე :დ) ქომონიდან დროებით წაშალე ხოლმე მაგის ხაზი. --DixtosaBOT (talk) 12:22, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
მგონი ერთადერთი შეცდომა ეგ იყო და გავასწორე ეგაც. პ.ს. კიდე შევქმენი User:Dixtosa/history.js აღწერა აქაა. ანუ ინახავს სიტყვებს შენ history გვერდზე ხოდა. დეფოლტად რუსული და ინგლისურია :დდ. სიტყვების გამეორებისთვის გამოსადეგი როჟაა. თან აგერ ვაჰაგმა ინგლისური დაგვიწუნა და მოდი ვისწავლოთ და ვანახოთ რა შეგვიძლია :/ :D --Dixtosa (talk) 15:51, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

A snippet of Georgian in a Latin–Georgian–Greek glossary[edit]

Hi Dixtosa. Would you mind checking that I've transcribed the bit of Georgian in this 1967 citation correctly, please? A pertinent entry exists for მხოლოდ (mxolod, only), so I'm pretty confident about that word, but I'm less sure about შობილი (šobili). Also, I used a normal tilde (U+007E TILDE) for the wavy line between the two words; I don't know whether there's a more specific character I should've used instead. Thanks in advance. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 19:10, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Hey. Both of them are correct and they both exist (both separately and together).
As for the wavy line, I guess the author just meant a hyphen. --Dixtosa (talk) 12:08, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Great! Thank you. (I wonder if the use of the tilde was intentional or just a typo… *shrugs*) And thank you for creating მხოლოდშობილი (mxolodšobili); that helps to make sense of that glossary's entry. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 16:03, 13 July 2015 (UTC)


Actually, {{character info/new}} should not be put in templates. My goal is to move {{character info/new}} to {{character info}} and make entries use that directly. But first, existing templates need to be switched to {{character info/old}}. Keφr 18:34, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Ah, right. What's stopping you from doing that now? --Dixtosa (talk) 19:07, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Some convex combination of: laziness, fatigue, unwillingness to conduct bureaucracy that this change will surely entail, and general disillusionment with this project. Keφr 19:55, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm in the middle of doing something similar to what you wanted, @Kephir. I'm replacing the old character box templates by {{character info/new}} in entries. But I agree that just "character info" would be a better name for it. Thank you for having created {{character info/new}} back then in 2014, it's great! --Daniel Carrero (talk) 04:42, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Template:Georgian character info[edit]

This has been in Category:Pages with module errors for a while now. Please fix it. Chuck Entz (talk) 12:57, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


So sorry - I have just returned from leaflet distribution on the Lizard, 20 minutes ago. I believe that the asterisk may be the culprit, which I have now removed, because it no more applies. Shall avoid using that symbol in future, if it might cause problems. Removed asterisk (that relates to nothing visible), as I have found this borrowed word in Cornish. More seriously though, this may have caused the problem - very sorry about this. I could not access this talk page at first! Sorry to waste your time; but should any problem re-occur, please advise me, so that I can sort it promptly. Werdna Yrneh Yarg (talk) 21:07, 27 August 2015 (UTC)Andrew


Don't forget to do this when you do this. Thanks! This, that and the other (talk) 02:54, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Navbox and navbox[edit]

Hello, thanks for your edit to {{citation templates}}. Just wondering what's the difference between {{navbox}} and {{Navbox}}, though? Is it possible to merge the two? — SMUconlaw (talk) 14:39, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi. I do not know, Navbox just seemed closer to the same template on Wikipedia. This is why I think {{navbox}} should be deleted and, ideally, Navbox be synced up with the Wikipedia's template (which is very difficult to do due to CSS classes Wiki has and we do not). --Dixtosa (talk) 14:59, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
Hmmm, OK, thanks. — SMUconlaw (talk) 15:11, 8 March 2016 (UTC)


I've been organizing with a new way to make a category. And it's much better to use the new one than the conventional one. --KoreanQuoter (talk) 13:09, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

You can not use HotCat to remove template-generated categories. Not a deal breaker but enough for me to prefer the templateless version. Besides, it has no advantages in English entries. --Dixtosa (talk) 16:10, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Template:tea room[edit]

See Template talk:tea room. DCDuring TALK 23:40, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


It seems to have a problem with "XMLize", according to the error message I get when trying to use it. Could you please fix it? Thanks. —Aryamanarora (मुझसे बात करो) 19:26, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Fixed. Thank you. --Dixtosa (talk) 19:40, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Bug in "nearby.js"[edit]

If you visit green tobacco sickness, one of the nearby terms is green 'un, but the actual link points to green instead. Equinox 13:10, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Fixed. --Dixtosa (talk) 14:04, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Is it possible to get it to work with tabbed languages? DTLHS (talk) 15:15, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Done.--Dixtosa (talk) 18:02, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. Another bug with Japanese: 教育実習. It seems to work for Chinese and Korean. DTLHS (talk) 00:33, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
That would take one more API request apart from two requests for each language on the entry. --Dixtosa (talk) 18:58, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
@DTLHS: i ve added the support of Japanese. Are the returned words what you were expecting?--Dixtosa (talk) 08:16, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
I see you have added the preceding words as well as the following ones. Really nice! Thank you. Equinox 19:48, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Another idea: could an empty line of text be positioned in advance, so that when the "nearby" content finishes loading, the rest of the page doesn't suddenly jump downwards? This is confusing when using the mouse. Equinox 21:50, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

I have added a loading icon that takes up one line. That's the best I can do. --Dixtosa (talk) 18:22, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Another minor bug: visit DUMBELS, and a mysterious second DUMBELS appears in the nearby line. Equinox 06:29, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Another: if you visit ossifiers, the next word should be ossifluent, but it gets omitted. Equinox 09:51, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

ossifiers is not a lemma. This only works for lemmas. --Dixtosa (talk) 17:02, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Another: it doesn't work for Norwegian Bokmål, e.g. ovalformet. (Perhaps an encoding issue with the å?) Equinox 13:25, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

You are right. Fixed. Thanks. --Dixtosa (talk) 17:02, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
This change broke the script for me- it never finishes loading and I never see the words. DTLHS (talk) 17:07, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Snowclone discussion[edit]

In diff, you asked: "has this been discussed?"

In Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2016/May#Snowclones, I said: "I edited all the snowclone pages to make them use the normal entry layout", but my comment has not caused any large discussion. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 18:48, 19 October 2016 (UTC)


In your user page, you said that you are "anti-demisexual". May I ask, what does it mean, exactly? Are you opposed to people who only feel sexual attraction after a strong bond has formed? --Daniel Carrero (talk) 09:06, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

No. The third sense of anti- was meant there. So you get: "Sexually attracted to people after long before any a strong emotional bond has been formed". A bad joke I guess. --Giorgi Eufshi (talk) 09:13, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
I see. Ok, cool. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 09:45, 31 October 2016 (UTC)


I pinged you in the BP, but maybe you missed it. Anyway, I'm kinda desperate, hence writing on your talk page — we really need to be able to archive the new RFV pages. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:31, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge Should aWa be working on old wt:rfv page? Because the buttons don't show up for me.--Dixtosa (talk) 15:56, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
No, WT:RFV is now split between WT:RFVE and WT:RFVN (which both transclude onto WT:RFV). Those individual pages should be archivable. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 23:30, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Failed mention[edit]

Say, would you have any idea how to create a script that detects when you make a failed mention (for example, you misspell a username, or enter a valid username in such a way that no mention will be sent), and will send a dialog alerting you to that fact? That would be a very useful feature. — Eru·tuon 19:06, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

For instance, if I added {{ping|Dixtosa}} in my previous message, there would be a failed mention; and if I typed {{ping|Ditosa}} in this message, the same thing would happen because there is no user account for that username. — Eru·tuon 19:08, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

@Erutuon: Why would a mention in your previous message fail?
Compare initial and final number of ping's (re's etc.) and see if there are four tildes in the final wikitext. That's how I would do it.
As for misspelled usernames one could use preview page or careful eye or as a last resort autocomplete on {{ping}}. --Dixtosa (talk) 10:23, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
I mean, the ping would have worked when I was submitting my first message, but not if I submitted my first message and added the ping when I was submitting my second message. — Eru·tuon 17:10, 26 May 2017 (UTC)


Does the meaning ‘hill’ really exist? I think someone confused it with გორა (gora). --Vahag (talk) 08:44, 30 June 2017 (UTC)


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Your sandbox module[edit]

We already have Module:JSON and Module:languages also has a toJSON function. —CodeCat 16:10, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Are you suggesting that I prefetch all the language related data and do processing on the client side? --Dixtosa (talk) 16:20, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Yes. You only have to fetch the data for a given language once that way, and you can cache it so that any further requests for that language will not need another server request. —CodeCat 16:37, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
But in order for autocomplete to work I would have to fetch the data for all languages which is slightly more expensive and may overload browser (especially on mobile). Nevertheless, I think those points are negligible and I will port the autocompletion code to load the data beforehand when I am done rewriting LanguageMetadata object. I want to make LanguageMetadata really smart (like caching on localstorage with expiration date, determining whether fetching data for all languages is necessary, etc.) so I am taking my time. --Dixtosa (talk) 17:03, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Enhancing catfix[edit]

The catfix script (in MediaWiki:Gadget-legacy.js) only applies language and class attributes to the mainspace links in the category contents part of the page. It really should also apply them to the "pagename" part of links to the Talk and Citations namespaces, and to the links in the "Recent additions" and "Oldest pages" box on the right. Otherwise, the links are quite illegible when the language is a rare one that is not recognized by browsers; for instance, the Avestan boxes are full of tofu. (I have fonts for Avestan, but my browser refuses to use them except when it's forced to by the site's CSS.) I've added an id to the box, newest-and-oldest-pages, so that you can select it, if you want to tackle this request. — Eru·tuon 05:52, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

@Erutuon: Done. Dixtosa (talk) 17:55, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Looks good! Thanks. — Eru·tuon 18:21, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

JS idea[edit]

A script to edit the tables generated by {{der3}} and the rest in the same way the translation adder works. DTLHS (talk) 20:41, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Yeah good idea. I am going to add some functionality to translation adder like removing and verifying translations in near future and I will try to code with that in mind. Dixtosa (talk) 21:13, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Translation editor error[edit]

diff DTLHS (talk) 18:54, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Error in MediaWiki:Gadget-U2693.js[edit]

MediaWiki:Gadget-U2693.js has shown errors in the console from time to time, for instance just now in [[直].

index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-U2693.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript:114 Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'getParamValue' of undefined
    at HTMLDocument.<anonymous> (index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-U2693.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript:114)
    at fire (/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki%7Cmediawiki.legacy.wikibits&only=scripts&skin=monobook&version=0ynbgde:45)
    at Object.fireWith [as resolveWith] (/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki%7Cmediawiki.legacy.wikibits&only=scripts&skin=monobook&version=0ynbgde:46)
    at Function.ready (/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki%7Cmediawiki.legacy.wikibits&only=scripts&skin=monobook&version=0ynbgde:49)
    at completed (/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki%7Cmediawiki.legacy.wikibits&only=scripts&skin=monobook&version=0ynbgde:49)

Oddly, I went back to the page and the error didn't show up. Maybe it isn't worth looking into. But I have seen it quite a few times. — Eru·tuon 03:29, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Ajax edit script[edit]

This script is a godsend, did you write it? If so, bless you. Pariah24 (talk) 22:52, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Yes. Thank you! Dixtosa (talk) 23:05, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
You're welcome; do you think it would work with Wikipedia or would modification of the code be necessary? Pariah24 (talk) 21:03, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
@Pariah24: I know it works. Dixtosa (talk) 18:49, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

More automatic linking in modules[edit]

I've often wished it were possible to add category links to language data modules. For instance, have canonicalName = "English" display as canonicalName = "English" (except with highlighting) – and perhaps have scripts = { "Cyrl", "Latn" } display as scripts = { "Cyrl", "Latn" }, and family = "gmw" display as family = "gmw". Similarly in the language family and script data modules. (I'm not sure if the quotes should be inside or outside the link.)

It would also be nice to have require("Module:links") and mw.loadData("Module:headword/data") display with a link: require("Module:links") and mw.loadData("Module:headword/data").

I considered doing this myself, but I was discouraged from starting by the complexity of the HTML code involved in the syntax highlighting. And I wonder if the function would take a lot of processing power because there are so many HTML nodes to go through. — Eru·tuon 21:02, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

As for your second idea, this is a good start I think even though it can not yet detect if the module name is being concatenated (as in here).Giorgi Eufshi (talk) 06:46, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
How about checking if it has a closing bracket in a .p element ()) after it? That would exclude any cases with concatenation. — Eru·tuon 19:24, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Gadget request[edit]

Right now, one of the things that the TabbedLanguages gadget does is to choose a default language if none was specified in the URL. Would it be possible for you to split this functionality off into a separate gadget, so that it is also available to non-TL users? If done, it should load relatively early, and certainly TL should only load once this new gadget is finished, so that it can use the new URL. —Rua (mew) 11:22, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Changes to თორი by Latvian IP[edit]

Could you verify whether the changes are correct? Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 11:18, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

It indeed contradicted with my source. Thank you. I ll ask them about their source anyways. Dixtosa (talk) 16:31, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. The IP has been back again, reverting your changes without comment, but also changed "chainmail" to "helmet" (later "battle helmet") in an earlier first edit. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 14:33, 7 December 2017 (UTC)


Hi! Russian Wiktionary is asking for your help in setting up the gadget. Could you give Skype or something to contact you? --OlegCinema (talk) 12:30, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Hey. Which gadget?--Dixtosa (talk) 14:21, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
MediaWiki:Gadget-TranslationAdder.js. Please. --OlegCinema (talk) 11:05, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
@OlegCinema: so what have you done so far? Did you copy the templates? Did you add it as a gadget? Dixtosa (talk) 09:48, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
He is in his personal space [2]. We need to customize our templates. While nothing else can do. --OlegCinema (talk) 11:56, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

"Temporal" არის ზედმიწევნითი და უზოგადესი თარგმანი "დროულისა"[edit]

"დრო" არ ნიშნავს მხოლოდ "კარგ, მოსახელთებელ, შესაფერ, სათანადო, გამოსადეგ, ყელსაყრელ დრო"-ს. ესენი უმალ გამოდიან დროის ზოგადი გაგებიდან, რომელიც იტევს მათ ისევე, როგორც საწყის მნიშვნელობებს: "არამარადიული, წარმავალი, სასრული". სახელების "დრო"-ისა და "დროული"-ს დავიწროების ხელშეწყობის ნაცვლად უნდა ხელი შევუწყოთ მის პირვანდელ, ძირეულ მნიშვნელობას, რომლის გაგებაშიც ექცევიან და რისგანაც ამოდიან ყოველდღიურობის ესა თუ ის "განსხვავებული" მნიშვნელობები.

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AjaxEdit on German and French Wiktionary[edit]

Hello Dixtosa, your script is great! I put it into my Global.js on Meta. It seems to work on many different sites however it doesn't work on German and French Wiktionary. Do you have any idea why? On those Wiktionaries the edit section link is shown but nothing happens upon clicking on it. --Robert Procházka (talk) 22:43, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

@Robert_Procházka: I tried it on fr wiktionary and it worked for me. I guess some other gadget is incompatible with AE. Dixtosa (talk) 12:48, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
AjaxEdit stops working for me when I change the language of the UI. Could it be related to a:contains('edit')? —Suzukaze-c 23:26, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
@Suzukaze-c: You are right, thank you. It is now fixed. Dixtosa (talk) 17:21, 11 August 2018 (UTC)


Could you please look this over? I'm not sure I trust this editor to know what he's doing when it comes to Georgian. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:58, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Although all entries are legit I am not comfortable with him creating Georgian entries either. --Dixtosa (talk) 21:45, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
Could you please drop him a message to that effect? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 23:16, 2 August 2018 (UTC)


Thanks for your contributions in Korean Wiktionary. I don't know why that article should be deleted. Because that article have some interwiki. Could you explain it to me, if possible? Thanks. --Garam (talk) 12:08, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

  • The word simply does not exist. The correct form is სამოცი. The other wiktionaries that had the same incorrect form have been notified and mostly have reacted well. Dixtosa (talk) 13:11, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Okay. Thanks for your answer. I deleted it. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 10:43, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Versioner in წერს[edit]

Hi. I was looking at the page წერს and it seemed to me there is something apparently wrong. In the "Georgian verb lemmata that derive from one root" template, the "With objective versioner" ('იწერს') word seems to be switched with the "With subjective versioner" ('უწერს') one. The same problem seems to exist in other verbs using that template.

I'm far from being an expert in Georgian, so I'm just letting you know. Thanks, Malafaya (talk) 13:51, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Unsupported title[edit]


Over a month ago, I asked this on MediaWiki talk:UnsupportedTitles.js:

"Hi. Could Unsupported titles/Australian Aboriginal Flag emoticon ([-o-]) and Unsupported titles/Australian Aboriginal Flag emoticon alternative ([-0-]) be added please? Jjamesryan (talk) 04:15, 13 September 2018 (UTC)"

Could you please do this? Thanks! Jjamesryan (talk) 00:36, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

არ ვენდე ვაჰაგს[edit]

სიტყვების მსგავსების მიუხედავად თქვენს შემოწმებას ველოდებოდი (სიტყვაზე ჭუჭუ)--ჯეო (talk) 09:57, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

@ჯეო: ხო ჰგავს იყოს მაშინ რა. წარმომავლობა ხოარ დაუწერია თქქვა რო ჰგავსო.
აგრეთვე გთხოვ შეეშვი კომენტარებში (სამერიებში) ეგეთ ტექსტების წერას. ცუდად ჩანს. აი თითქოს ცხელ გულზე პირველი რაც მოგაფიქრდა ეგეთი რამე დაწერე :). Dixtosa (talk) 10:06, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

ადრე ისეთი ამბავი მოხდა გახსოვთ ალბათ, თქვენ წაშალეთ მერე ის განხილვის გვერდი, იმის მერე ყოველგვარი ნდობა დავკარგე მის მიმართ, ვერ მოტვინა ის, რომ სააკიანი სააკაშვილი არაა, პირიქით, რომ დამეწერა ალბათ მომკლავდა კიდევ, ვერ მიხვდა, რომ ეს ორი გვარი ცალ-ცალკეა--ჯეო (talk) 10:09, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello :3[edit]

Vahagngngngngn went all gestapo on me, so I'm bringing this to you. Check out p. 110. xoxo Simboyd 09:34, 4 April 2019 (UTC)


სალამი! მე-6 კლასის (ჩემს) ისტორიის წიგნში ვნახე და სწორი ფორმა „ყარაჩოღელი“ არაა? ეს სტატია ყარაჩოხელი მგონი გადასატანია--ჯეო (talk) 16:50, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

@ჯეო: ეგ კი არა ფორმატის შეცდომებს უშვებ კიდევ და შენი დაბლოკვა მომიწევს თუ ისევ ასე უყურადღებოდ გააგრძელებ : ( Dixtosa (talk) 19:12, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
კონკრეტულად მითხარით სად დავუშვი შეცდომა, აღმოვფხვრი და გავითვალისწინებ :) --ჯეო (talk) 20:21, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
@ჯეო: აი მაგალითად აქ იარენი. ჯერ ბრუნვა გაქვს და მერე განმარტება მასე არ ვაკეთებთ ხოლმე. Giorgi Eufshi (talk) 08:25, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

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