Talk:江

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Need Wu reading[edit]

Need Wu reading. 24.29.228.33 09:28, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Done. 71.66.97.228 02:49, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Derivation[edit]

Let me first humbly admit that I'm not an expert on Sinitic phonological history. Yet Norman & Mei (1976) demonstrated, convincingly to me at least, the OC *kroŋ was directly borrowed from Austroasiatic *k-ro:ŋ; rather than descended from ST *kl(y)uŊ; because 江 MC [kˠʌŋ] (ZS) belongs to Grade II, thus necessitating OC "-r-" medial; which, N&M contend, does not descend from ST medial "-l-", only "-r-". The sound change ST /r/ > OC /r/ > MC /l/ is well-known, yet is there any example of ST /Cl-/ > OC /Cr-/ > MC /Cˠ-/? I intended to include N&M's opinion on the direction of the borrowing, yet dither & seek opinions from others more knowledgeable instead.

P.S.: I consider the k-ɺOŊ items to be a MSEA Wanderwort, rather than of Austroasiatic provenance. Still, that does not preclude the historical possibility that Proto-Sinitic speakers somehow "forgot" any native derivation from *kl(y)uŊ & must borrow *k-ro:ŋ from Austroasiatic. Erminwin (talk) 06:04, 6 December 2018 (UTC)