Talk:江

Need Wu reading

Need Wu reading. 24.29.228.33 09:28, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Done. 71.66.97.228 02:49, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Derivation

Let me first humbly admit that I'm not an expert on Sinitic phonological history. Yet Norman & Mei (1976) demonstrated, convincingly to me at least, the OC *kroŋ was directly borrowed from Austroasiatic *k-ro:ŋ; rather than descended from ST *kl(y)uŊ; because 江 MC [kˠʌŋ] (ZS) belongs to Grade II, thus necessitating OC "-r-" medial; which, N&M contend, does not descend from ST medial "-l-", only "-r-". The sound change ST /r/ > OC /r/ > MC /l/ is well-known, yet is there any example of ST /Cl-/ > OC /Cr-/ > MC /Cˠ-/? I intended to include N&M's opinion on the direction of the borrowing, yet dither & seek opinions from others more knowledgeable instead.

P.S.: I consider the k-ɺOŊ items to be a MSEA Wanderwort, rather than of Austroasiatic provenance. Still, that does not preclude the historical possibility that Proto-Sinitic speakers somehow "forgot" any native derivation from *kl(y)uŊ & must borrow *k-ro:ŋ from Austroasiatic. Erminwin (talk) 06:04, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

河 江 north south

I know that 黑龍江 is the northernmost river in China, but I remember not a few times that I was told or got the impression that 河 was more of a north China term, while 江 is more of a south China term. On this somewhat weak basis, I am adding a sentence to the new usage notes that makes this point.

Also:

http://www.360doc.com/content/16/0124/09/1353443_530166247.shtml

打开中国地图,我们会发现一个有趣的现象:北方的大型河流都称“某河”,如黄河、海河、辽河、淮河、渭河等等;而南方大河则通名是“江”占主导,如长江 etc

--Geographyinitiative (talk) 12:31, 20 February 2019 (UTC)