Talk:Anglo-Egyptian Sudan

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Anglo-Egyptian Sudan

Another bad entry I created, Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, its just the sum of its parts. It was the Sudan when it was colony of the Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and Egypt. What else would Anglo+Egyptian+Sudan mean? --PaulBustion88 (talk) 03:09, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Weak keep. It was a historical entity, at a specific time. But I'm only giving it a "weak" keep as it did not seem to be the name of the place.--Dmol (talk) 21:34, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

It was certainly the common name of the place, if not the official one. We should probably come to a more general decision about the SOPpiness of certain placenames like Republic of India, Republic of Armenia, Republic of Finland, Kingdom of Sweden, Kingdom of Norway, and so on, since on the one hand, what else could they mean, and on the other hand, they're set terms and are for the most part temporally restricted (the Republic of Finland and the Grand Duchy of Finland are temporally distinct, but they're both Finland). Hmm... —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 21:49, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Good points. We differentiate between other places where the name meant different things throughout history. New South Wales is a good example with three distinct meanings, two historical and one current.--Dmol (talk) 22:12, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Strong Delete. Its just an SOP term. The Sudan when it was ruled by the British (the Anglo part) and the Egyptians. Anglo-Egyptian Sudan. What else would it mean? --PaulBustion88 (talk) 23:58, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

In answer to your question, it could mean a separate part of Sudan. But look at the following list, all of which have a degree of SoP about them - West Virginia, Greater Manchester, New England, New South Wales, North Queensland (an entry that survived RFD), South Dakota, etc. We are referring to a specific place in a specific historical time frame.--Dmol (talk) 01:17, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

West Virginia isn't a good example, because it's east of some parts of Virginia- it could have been just as truthfully called North Virginia. As for New England and New South Wales, where in the definitions for England and Wales would you find a clue as to what the "new" versions would be? Chuck Entz (talk) 02:08, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Keep It's a historical, informal name for Sudan under an Anglo-Egyptian "condominium" from the signing of an agreement in 1899 until Sudan became independent I January 1956. Whether the "condominium" was really just British rule raises the question of whether each diplomatic lie fictional use of a term merits a separate definition of the abused term. DCDuring TALK 02:57, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

It was not quite just British rule, because although every Governor of the Sudan was British, many of the administrators were Egyptians, and the vast majority of the judges in Sudan, particularly in Sharia court, were Egyptians. But the British made all the important decisions there. I still think the article should be deleted, because I would put it in the category of several entries I created hastily that I should not have. I hate to say it, but I agree with some of Dan Polansky's criticism of my editing here. --PaulBustion88 (talk) 03:01, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Weak keep per Dmol and others. I say "weak" because I am vaguely uneasy about place names in general, but I think others have made a good case for it. —Internoob 03:31, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Keep If everyone else wants to keep it, why not?

• Kept --Type56op9 (talk) 22:52, 2 June 2015 (UTC)