Talk:Appalachian

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pronunciation[edit]

  • The pronunciation given seems problematic; everyone I know pronounces it either ˌæpəˈleɪtʃǝn invalid IPA characters (ǝ), replace ǝ with ə or ˌæpəˈlætʃǝn invalid IPA characters (ǝ), replace ǝ with ə. -- Visviva 05:50, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Me too, m-w and dictionary.com give "hard ch" first, m-w also gives "soft ch". Added alternatives. Cynewulf 05:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
  • The pronunciations given here are incorrect. Comments below moved to here from "commons:User talk:EncycloPetey#En-us-Appalachian.ogg" (@EncycloPetey). Nicole Sharp (talk) 13:57, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
    • Regarding "En-us-Appalachian.ogg," this is not the correct pronunciation. I myself pronounced this incorrectly for years as well, and the pronunciation given here is still very common by non-Appalachian Americans. It was not until I took a university course in Appalachian Studies that I learned the correct (endonymous) pronunciation. The correct pronunciation is "ap-ah-LATCH-an" not "ap-ah-lay-SHUN." The reason for this is in the etymology of the word. "Appalachia" (ah-pah-LATCH-ah) is a Latinate-spelled form of the name for the Apalachee (ah-pah-LATCH-ee) Nation, who cleverly misdirected gold-seeking conquistadors in Florida into getting lost in the mountains of Georgia, which later became known as the Appalachian (Apalach[ee]an) Mountains. The correct pronunciation for the region and the mountain range retains the same pronunciation, with the "I" being silent. Nicole Sharp (talk) 13:18, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
    • On a usage note, the exonymous pronunciation file given here can additionally have negative connotations of colonialism and exploitation: "Appa-LATCH-uh, with its gutturality and strong tongue stops is the chosen pronunciation of the majority of locals. Conversely, in the Southern Appalachian Region, the pronunciation Appa-LAY-shuh carries negative connotation of outsiders who literally controlled perceptions and definitions of Appalachia for centuries." [1] Nicole Sharp (talk) 13:57, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
  • We do neither prescribe nor proscribe pronunciations. If a pronunciation is in use, then we present it. As you have pointed out: "the pronunciation given here is still very common by non-Appalachian Americans." As it is a common pronunciation, we catalog its use. It is not the place of Wiktionary attempt to change the language; we merely describe what the language is doing. If there is a pronunciation peculiar to a specific region, then that pronunciation can be added with a note about where it is used. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:35, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
    • I would argue that the endonymous pronunciation is more than just merely an ethnolectal or regional variant, but is also the pronunciation used in academia for scholarly works in Appalachian Studies. As a student in Appalachian Studies, the only times I hear a preponderance of the exonymous pronunciation in academic work on Appalachia is actually by geologists to refer to the physical mountains, as opposed to the culture or the people (particularly since the Appalachian geological region is much larger than the Appalachian cultural or political regions). Nicole Sharp (talk) 17:14, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
    • For common use of the endonymous pronunciation in academia, here is the first video result listed in a YouTube Search for "Appalachian Studies;" the video is about the Appalachian Studies graduate program at the Appalachian State University Center for Appalachian Studies (note the pronunciation of the name for the state university): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVXSrBkTuTU Nicole Sharp (talk) 17:29, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
  • It's great that a small specialized set of academia use their own jargon and own pronunciation, but that doesn't change anything I said before. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:39, 23 February 2017 (UTC)