Talk:Circassian

Is it the language of Adygea?

There are two languages: West Circassian (Adyghe) and East Circassian (Kabardian). Circassian seems to be a group of languages, with Proto-Circassian being it's ancestor. --Anatoli 05:20, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

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There are two languages: West Circassian (Adyghe) and East Circassian (Kabardian). Circassian seems to be a group of languages, with Proto-Circassian being it's ancestor. --Anatoli 23:50, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Google Books offers us several sources talking about "the Circassian language"; an English-Circassian dictionary; "But though structurally related to the Circassian language, the Abazin language has to our days retained all its..." from Bilingualism in education, 1978; "Trilingualism in family, school, and community" asked students which languages they know, and quotes their answer as "Four: Circassian, Hebrew, Arabic and English". (2004) The word is certainly being used to refer to a language, whether or not that's the most clear sense (or whether or not we can figure out which language they're talking about.)--Prosfilaes 00:28, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Can we close this as clearly widespread use? -- Prince Kassad 17:49, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Probably. Certain of our senses could be RFV'd — heck, each of our senses could be RFV'd — but even the original nominator doesn't seem to be disputing the existence of the word. I'll wait a week or so for objections, and/or for someone to change the {{rfv}} to one or more {{rfv-sense}}s; if neither of those happens, I'll close this as you suggest. —Ruakh_TALK 18:07, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I have made some changes in Circassian and Adyghe and created Kabardian, please check if you agree. I have no knowledge of these languages and of similarities and there are certain differences in usage between Russian and English. In Russia and the Caucasus Circassian is not a common word to refer to Adyghe or Kabardian, these are used separately, Kabardian is also commonly called Cabardian-Circassian (кабардино-черкесский) (here's the difference in usage). Yes, Ruakh, I'm not disputing the existence of the word, it just seems to be an umbrella for two similar languages - ady and kbd. Perhaps they are too close to be called languages or the existing confusion should be explained in the usage notes. I am confused myself. --Anatoli 21:59, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! More relevant forums might be Wiktionary:Tea room, Wiktionary:Requests for cleanup, and/or the discussion-pages of some of the related Wikipedia articles. RFV is mostly a "cite it or delete it" forum; various types of other requests sometimes come here, but I don't think it ever accomplishes anything. Actually, I've done that once or twice myself, and always regretted it. I invariably end up archiving the discussion without the entry having improved at all for being listed here.
If you think citations will help sort it out, you can use {{rfquote}} (or {{rfquote-sense}}) to request them. And if there are specific senses that you doubt, feel free to tag them with {{rfv-sense}} and re-list here. :-)
—Ruakh_TALK 22:17, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Striking: de-tagged by nominator. —Ruakh_TALK 22:17, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll have this in mind in the future. --Anatoli 22:52, 7 October 2010 (UTC)