Talk:Hun-like

RFD discussion: October–December 2022

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Hun-like

Czech Dan (non-native speaker) is currently having a very enjoyable rampage through some of my entries, regarding hyphens, etc. So I guess this is SoP now! Thanks dude. Equinox ◑ 12:03, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

To clarify: he is moving a lot of stuff, e.g. Hunlike to Hun-like. Did we ever argue about things being only parseable if they were split apart? GEE!!! Equinox ◑ 12:04, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Anyone who says "obviously Hun-like is SoP and the hyphen tells you where to break" might want to think about the real, extant form "Hunlike" which Dan has unilaterally flushed down the bog. Don't we have a rule that you don't edit languages you don't understand? I'm frankly scared to mention Dan because we recently saw him filibustering and writing 9999 lines rathe than admit he might possibly be wrong. Well, HE IS WRONG. I tell you now. Equinox ◑ 12:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

• Keep as a single word, per WT:CFI, "if it is attested and, when that is met, if it is a single word or it is idiomatic". I am targeting entries for which GPO manual indicates they are preferably spelled with a hyphen. GPO manual says that "-like" words where the first element is a proper name should have a hyphen. I always check the actual frequencies to make sure the hyphenated form is actually much more common. And the non-hyphenated forms see some use, even if a fraction, so those who reject the single-word argument (which is per CFI) can keep this per WT:COALMINE. I am leaving usage notes in entries with tracing to sources for the readers. I am doing the moves only to preserve the edit history so the credit is properly given to the creator of the definition; the non-hyphenated spelling can be kept and turned into alternative form. The motivation for doing so is to help Wiktionary be a better spelling guide, which not only gives a frequency information but also gives a recommendation traced to a source. I am sorry I caused so much annoyance. --Dan Polansky (talk) 12:16, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

For reference, I moved 4 entries so far: Hun-like, Titan-like, Madonna-like and Lincoln-like. I am now adding the usage notes to entries that do not need moving, like Colorado-like and Unix-like. --Dan Polansky (talk) 12:41, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Keep per Dan, but I feel like redirecting the unhyphenated forms wasn't the right way to go about this. Binarystep (talk) 02:00, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Moving the entries was my mistake. It turned to have the effect opposite of being courteous. Please anyone feel free to move the entries back to the solid forms, except perhaps for Hun-like since it is now in RFD. --Dan Polansky (talk) 07:09, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

@Dan Polansky Please undo your own mistakes. Theknightwho (talk) 22:22, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Delete, SOP. -like is about as exciting as ex-, whose SOP derivations we've luckily deleted. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 16:30, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

ex-Christian should have been kept as single word, per CFI, helping to document the productiveness of the prefix. However, Hun-like is protected by WT:COALMINE (Hunlike is well attested, not a typo or rare form), a somewhat controversial policy that was reaffirmed by a near unanimity in 2019: Wiktionary:Votes/2019-08/Rescinding the "Coalmine" policy. We can try a new vote to see whether consensus has changed. The above is a policy override. These are not forbidden, though. --Dan Polansky (talk) 09:28, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't think coalmine is a bad policy per se, I was merely ignorant that we still have Hunlike (it's not an alt-form listed in Hun-like and, after all, you moved Hunlike to Hun-like instead of creating a new article) so I retracted my vote. I firmly disagree with you about ex-Christian but that's a convo for another RFD I guess. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 21:40, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

• Kept Flackofnubs (talk) 10:00, 12 December 2022 (UTC)