Talk:The Land of Gorch
Created entry for The Land of Gorch, modeled after existing entry for page Star Trek[edit]
Created entry for The Land of Gorch, modeled after existing entry for page, Star Trek. -- Cirt (talk) 15:55, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
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Fiction. Equinox ◑ 15:53, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- Keep, as modeled after existing page, Star Trek. -- Cirt (talk) 15:57, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- Does it satisfy WT:FICTION, though? — SGconlaw (talk) 16:55, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: The entry satisfies WT:ATTEST and WT:FICTION. It should therefore be kept. -- Cirt (talk) 16:57, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- It seems to me that none of the quotations currently on the page are independent of reference to the fictional universe, as required by WT:FICTION. They are just referring directly to the show. Compare, for example, the adjective sense of Star Trek. — SGconlaw (talk) 17:17, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- WT:ATTEST is met. There are more than 3 durably archived citations. WT:FICTION is met. There are more than 3 durably archived citations over a period of several years. The references are independent of the topic itself. Therefore, the entry should be kept. -- Cirt (talk) 17:19, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- It seems to me that none of the quotations currently on the page are independent of reference to the fictional universe, as required by WT:FICTION. They are just referring directly to the show. Compare, for example, the adjective sense of Star Trek. — SGconlaw (talk) 17:17, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: The entry satisfies WT:ATTEST and WT:FICTION. It should therefore be kept. -- Cirt (talk) 16:57, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- Does it satisfy WT:FICTION, though? — SGconlaw (talk) 16:55, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- I see no evidence that WT:FICTION is met. From that page:
Terms originating in fictional universes which have three citations in separate works, but which do not have three citations which are independent of reference to that universe may be included only in appendices of words from that universe, and not in the main dictionary space.
- The six citations currently at Citations:The_Land_of_Gorch are direct mentions specifically of that "universe" (or sketch, comedy, show segment, what-have-you). They are in no way "independent of reference to that universe", and thus do nothing to meet WT:FICTION. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 18:48, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete, it doesn't meet WT:FICTION. --Robbie SWE (talk) 06:50, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
- I just searched for "Gorch" on Usenet, typing in "gorch -muppet -muppets -fock" and couldn't find a single reference to the Land of Gorch there. Most of the hits for Gorch were references to Lyle Gorch/the Gorch Brothers. There's also apparently a use in Star Trek, which doesn't meet WT:FICTION either. Khemehekis (talk) 20:45, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. I love Jim Henson, but this doesn't seem to have any lexical value. Every reference given seems to be a mention of the skit; it's never used to describe a particular quality or genre or anything other than itself. There's an article on Wikipedia, which is fine, but I can't see why there would be a Wiktionary entry for something that's not likely to be encountered by itself or out of context. I seriously doubt there's any connection to Star Trek. I've been a fan of the original series for a long time, and I don't remember anyone or anything called "Gorch"; perhaps someone is guessing how to spell something heard indistinctly (like a Gorn). But since that series ran from 1966 to 1969, and The Next Generation didn't run start until 1987, and to the best of my knowledge didn't ever refer to anything remotely related to the Muppets or Saturday Night Live (apart from Joe Piscopo's guest appearance), it seems very unlikely that "The Land of Gorch", a one-season series of sketches that ran in 1975, is mentioned in it. Even if there's something spelled that way, it almost certainly refers to something else. P Aculeius (talk) 13:52, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Failed. — SGconlaw (talk) 10:54, 15 November 2018 (UTC)