Talk:eyrant
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RFV-sense. This is a weird one: reference works about heraldry define eyrant as being used of birds, to mean nesting, sitting in—or as if in—a nest... but apart from one mentiony use of that sense, all the true uses I can find (occurrences in actual blazons) are about fish, apart from one which is about a boar's head! So I can neither verify the "nesting" sense, nor figure out what the fish are doing. Eyrant does also occur as an old form of errant, so perhaps the fish are "wandering, travelling, voyaging"? But then what is the boar's head doing? (Is it sitting in a nest?? Are the fish sitting in an nest as if put there by a bird?!?) I am going to ask at Commons and on Wikipedia whether anyone can help unravel this, especially by finding images of the relevant arms. - -sche (discuss) 16:14, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
- the fish-related sense is likely confusion of eyrant with hauriant; OED lists eirant as an erroneous variant of haurient. 蒼鳥 fawk. tell me if i did anything wrong. 20:36, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
- Ah! That could explain the Hunt of Paddon arms. I had come to suspect it was an error for erect in the Kitson arms (I can find other families who bear "three luc(i)es erect"), although without images of the arms it's hard to know. I'm wondering if "a bores hed coppe eyrant sable" is a weird error for "a boar's head eradicated sable". - -sche (discuss) 22:58, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
- the boar's head one is kinda baffling, yeah; I don't know enough about heraldry to speculate on that. 蒼鳥 fawk. tell me if i did anything wrong. 09:41, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
- Ah! That could explain the Hunt of Paddon arms. I had come to suspect it was an error for erect in the Kitson arms (I can find other families who bear "three luc(i)es erect"), although without images of the arms it's hard to know. I'm wondering if "a bores hed coppe eyrant sable" is a weird error for "a boar's head eradicated sable". - -sche (discuss) 22:58, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
- turns out that ayrant is a common spelling (in fact the headword form in the Century Dictionary [1]), and has two hits in Papworth's Ordinary, in both cases "an eagle ayrant". 蒼鳥 fawk. tell me if i did anything wrong. 09:49, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
- Aha, excellent find! Although all the works (Berry, Burke, Papworth, Parker, ...) that I have spotted so far using it are describing the same coats of arms, I suppose they're describing it independently(?). I've moved the page to ayrant. - -sche (discuss) 15:26, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
- RFV failed and entry deleted (not by me) MyWeezer (talk) 13:32, 13 July 2023 (UTC)