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- Would you accept any of these? :
- —RuakhTALK 15:36, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- The first one might be arguable, but the others are clear. Do you think it is still in use currently in this sense?
- Other dictionaries report as many as five senses, including mendacity, only sometimes shown as obsolete.
- Some make the distinction between "a false statement" and "something false; an untrue idea, belief, etc." Other senses are "lack of conformity to truth or fact" and "deception".
- If we are to be merely a translating dictionary or aimed solely at earlier stage language learners, these kinds of distinctions may be more than can be supported. DCDuring TALK 18:54, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Possibly cited? It's rare. - -sche (discuss) 00:19, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- It is much less common than the other senses, but I'm not sure about rare. It seems to come up in discussions of character and of morality, in which the "fundamental attribution error" is widespread. Though I can't understand the KJV quote, the other cites seem OK. I think I found another one at COCA for good measure. DCDuring TALK 02:14, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- I can't understand the KJV quote, either, but the word that it's translating, shéker, means "lie, untruth", not really "deceitfulness". (The Bible sometimes uses it attributively, like "words of shéker" and "lips of shéker", so it doesn't always quite translate to English "lie"; and this particular verse is difficult, with several major translations punting and totally paraphrasing that part; but it's closer to "lie" than to "deceitfulness", and several other major translations translate it as "lies" in this verse.) Of course, there's no guarantee that the translators of the KJV understood the word, and this verse, in exactly the way that people do today, but I really wouldn't take it to mean "deceitfulness" without further evidence. —RuakhTALK 02:49, 5 April 2011 (UTC)