Talk:genug

genung

Johann Sebastian Bach used the spelling genung in one of his famous cantatas, "Ich habe genung." Can an entry for genung be added? 204.11.186.190 13:54, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes; it probably needs to be marked "archaic" and/or "dialectal". —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 16:09, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Declinable adverb

@B-Fahrer You claim that the "adverb isn't declined". Well, the reality attests to the contrary. You will find the phrase "groß genuges Zimmer" on google as well as similar phrases. Even in standard German proper, adverbs aren't "uninflectable", as you say, because they are comparable, but it is true that they never decline. The note, however, is specifically about colloquial German, which need not follow the rules of the standard language.

Declined adverbs are not unheard of in German dialects and closely related languages. For example, in colloquial Dutch you have een heel groot dorp (“a very big village”) and een hele grote stad (“a very big city”), where the adverb "heel" adopts the declensional ending of the following adjective. The case of German "genug" is different but similar: Since the adverb follows the adjective, it takes on the declensional ending instead of the preceding adjective.

Now you propose that "genug" in "groß genuges Zimmer" is an adjective. I personally don't see any syntactical ground for this claim. You say "das Zimmer ist sehr groß" and "ein sehr großes Zimmer", just as you say, colloquially, "das Zimmer ist groß genug" and "ein groß genuges Zimmer". Why should the part of speech in the last case be different from all the three other cases? So I ask you kindly to give an elaboration and justification for this claim of it being an adjective. Because otherwise there is no basis for you request. 178.4.151.167 11:58, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Declined adverbs do not exist by definition, at least in German and Latin. In cases like die zue Tür (= die geschlossene Tür, the closed door), there is an adjective such as zu. "genuges Zimmer" only gives one result at Google Books, which is a mentioning. "groß genuges" is better, though the examples are rare, and the results include this correctly speaking of "[...] attributiven Adjektiven [...], die durch einfache adjektivische Flexion (ohne Ableitungssilbe) aus Adverbien gebildet werden" und "adjektivisches genug". --B-Fahrer (talk) 20:29, 29 March 2020 (UTC)