Talk:indolent lesion of epithelial origin
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SoP? SemperBlotto (talk) 07:22, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- How is it SOP? lesions are not just cancers, whereas this term only applies to cancers. It also dosen't use the sense listed as medical at indolent (it is not "slowly healing"). -- 67.70.33.184 07:31, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- In the article in which the use of this term (together with its acronym IDLE) as new diagnostic terminology was recommended, it was proposed to be used not only for indolent lesions that are cancerous disorders of epithelial origin – currently classified as carcinomas – but also their precursors, among which the article specifically mentions Barrett’s oesophagus and atypical naevi. So it is not quite correct to state that this term “only applies to cancers”. The sense of indolent here, often used in the combination indolent lesion in medical terminology, is of course sense 3, “(medicine) causing little or no physical pain; progressing slowly; inactive (of an ulcer, etc.)”. The meaning of the term per se is not in any way new or surprising; what is new is the recommendation to use it in order to avoid unnecessary interventions and patient worrying. --Lambiam 08:36, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Though that still does not cover "lesion", as it only covers some conditions that can lead to cancers, and that are cancers, and not say, TBI lesions of the dura mater, parasitic worm skin lesions, and such. -- 67.70.33.184 05:25, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Which, to my non-medically trained eye, don't seem to be lesions "of epithelial origin".--Prosfilaes (talk) 17:29, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- The skin is epithelial tissue, and dura mater is epithelial tissue, so the original tissue concerned with the lesion is epithelial. Though if a cancer was caused by a toxin or a virus, and classified as an IDLE, it would under your interpretation, also not be of epithelial origin, either? -- 67.70.33.184 06:05, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Which, to my non-medically trained eye, don't seem to be lesions "of epithelial origin".--Prosfilaes (talk) 17:29, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Though that still does not cover "lesion", as it only covers some conditions that can lead to cancers, and that are cancers, and not say, TBI lesions of the dura mater, parasitic worm skin lesions, and such. -- 67.70.33.184 05:25, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- In the article in which the use of this term (together with its acronym IDLE) as new diagnostic terminology was recommended, it was proposed to be used not only for indolent lesions that are cancerous disorders of epithelial origin – currently classified as carcinomas – but also their precursors, among which the article specifically mentions Barrett’s oesophagus and atypical naevi. So it is not quite correct to state that this term “only applies to cancers”. The sense of indolent here, often used in the combination indolent lesion in medical terminology, is of course sense 3, “(medicine) causing little or no physical pain; progressing slowly; inactive (of an ulcer, etc.)”. The meaning of the term per se is not in any way new or surprising; what is new is the recommendation to use it in order to avoid unnecessary interventions and patient worrying. --Lambiam 08:36, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- I think that IDLE should be treated the same as a term such as DCIS. There isn't an entry for ductal carcinoma in situ, and I think it is better handled as an encyclopedia article. The abbreviation links to the individual words (though I think it could link to the Wikipedia article instead, or in addition). When I do a Google search for "indolent lesion of epithelial origin", I only get 102 results, and they mostly seem to be discussing the proposed term. I guess I would just pose this question: Is it actually wide-spread in usage enough to justify its inclusion in a dictionary? And is the mere proposal of a term enough justification? -Mike (talk) 17:58, 18 November 2019 (UTC) [an amusing sidebar]
- Well, but people do not want to edit on Wikipedia, they just want a definition on Wiktionary according to its dynamics, and I don’t see a harm in it much more than in chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, granulomatosis with polyangiitis, oral mucositis. Original creator thought about it being SOP but he decided that it isn’t, tenably. Fay Freak (talk) 23:02, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- These are all term commonly used by doctors for diagnoses. It is not clear doctors actually use the term indolent lesion of epithelial origin (or IDLE) for that purpose. --Lambiam 22:13, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Lack of attestation is an RfV matter. How could we delete this without seeing whether and how it is used? If the attestation shows it to be NISoP, then we can delete it. DCDuring (talk) 14:52, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- These are all term commonly used by doctors for diagnoses. It is not clear doctors actually use the term indolent lesion of epithelial origin (or IDLE) for that purpose. --Lambiam 22:13, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Well, but people do not want to edit on Wikipedia, they just want a definition on Wiktionary according to its dynamics, and I don’t see a harm in it much more than in chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, granulomatosis with polyangiitis, oral mucositis. Original creator thought about it being SOP but he decided that it isn’t, tenably. Fay Freak (talk) 23:02, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- RFD-kept. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 23:11, 21 March 2020 (UTC)