User talk:Prosfilaes

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WT:BP#ſ (long s) typographic variants (section 2)[edit]

I responded to you therein a couple of days ago, just FYI.  (u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 20:12, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


Was the quotation entirely in italics? We usually want the same formatting in the quotation as in the source. When you see a sentence on a page in italics, that indicates it is a fabricated example to show use of the word; we don't do that for "real" quotations. --EncycloPetey 03:03, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

I was looking at Citations:Timonism, which the citations page links to, and which has all its citations in italics. Given that that's incorrect, I've fixed the butchy citation.--Prosfilaes 03:13, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
We have various pages in various formats, which is why we've set up a few "model" pages. See Citations:listen and Citations:parrot for better-quality examples of formating a citations page. Ideally, we'd be consistent in all aspects of formatting, but we're a large project, with many contributors, and our practices sometimes change over time. We try to keep the few model pages current with best practices in order to help. --EncycloPetey 03:20, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

danke schon[edit]

I've restored this pending fuller discussion at the RfD - I agree the deletion was premature and that the "German embedded in English" needs more consideration. You may wish to comment further. Thryduulf (talk) 01:40, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Babel box[edit]

Would you add a babel box to your user page, using {{Babel}}? It would be nice to know what languages you speak. --Dan Polansky 16:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Clarification of language inclusion[edit]

The scope of Clarification of language inclusion has been changed to languages that are not natural. I believe this satisfies the proviso in your vote. DAVilla 16:03, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

soccer ball[edit]

That's the thing, it's not any ball used for soccer. If I use a basketball or a tennis ball (and I've used both before) for soccer, or football as I would say, it does not become a soccer ball. I'd make a similar argument for barbecue sauce, if I add mayonnaise to something cooked on a barbecue, it doesn't become barbecue sauce. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:00, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

But the definition "A ball that is designed for use in the sport of soccer" is SoP, IMO. If someone designed a basketball for soccer, then it would be a soccer ball under our definition. "is designed for use in" is a pretty standard noun noun construction that is simply SoP.--Prosfilaes 23:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Not sure. What about utterances like "They were trying to play soccer with a tennis ball"? By your statement they would be playing with a soccer ball, because that's what the tennis ball has become by being used for soccer; but that doesn't seem right. (I do dislike this kind of entry, by the way, but I suppose I like being devil's advocate.) Equinox 23:54, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
In the example above, I didn't design the basketball at all; I bought it. Mglovesfun (talk) 23:57, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure of this definition, but as per the definition, it's "designed by", not "used for". If some company started marketing basketballs-like balls for soccer, that would make them soccer balls by our definition. We could mention the 12-pentagon/20 hexagon feature, which would make it an non-SoP definition.--Prosfilaes 00:00, 15 February 2011 (UTC)


and commonplaceing. I'm sure you mean commonplaced and commonplacing. :) - -sche 05:30, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah. Forgot that en-verb has a bunch of switches, and forgot to check its output before creating the pages.--Prosfilaes 18:44, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Vote on formatting of etymologies[edit]

There is the vote Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2011-02/Deprecating less-than symbol in etymologies, which would benefit from your participation, even if only in the role of an abstainer. Right now, the results of the vote do not quite mirror the results of the poll that has preceded the vote. There is a chance that the vote will not pass. The vote, which I thought would be a mere formality, has turned out to be a real issue. You have taken part on the poll that preceded the vote, which is why I have sent you this notification. --Dan Polansky 08:27, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Inclusion of Joyce[edit]

I have added a section heading for the thread that you have started (diff). I hope you don't mind: it makes the thread you have started easier to separate from the thread started by Mglovesfun. If you disagree, just revert me. --Dan Polansky 07:55, 6 May 2011 (UTC)


The definition given is # Values rationality. I don't think this is a very good definition - can you change it please --Yakky snacks (talk) 10:19, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

You change it, or bring it up on the talk page of the word.--Prosfilaes (talk) 10:20, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
I would change it, but I don't know what it is! "Values rationality" doesn't help me find out what the word means. --Yakky snacks (talk) 10:23, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Then look it up. I'm not here to jump when you tell me to. Don't come to my talk page and tell me to do things.--Prosfilaes (talk) 10:32, 9 April 2012 (UTC)


Have you ever come across luton as an abbreviated form of saluton? I heard that it is used and was going to add it, but I want to make sure that it is legitimate first (I have trouble trying to cite eo terms). Thanks --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 02:34, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

I haven't really come across much. My fluency in Esperanto was never great, and I've not been practicing the last few years. I generally search for Esperanto in Google Books by including la and kaj, but I'm only seeing one real hit for luton not as a place; "Kial ekzistas ni? Kiu kreis la luton? Kion ĝi celas?", from [1]. Poking through Google Groups, I'm seeing no evidence of this, at least not as live slang. A question asking about "luton" as Esperanto slang (in English), a post with "Sa,luton" (typo maybe), various posts with "Sluton", "S-luton", "S'luton", a bootleg translation of Harry Potter that has Hagrid say "S'luton", a little "Sal'" here and there. Perhaps someone more interested then I could drag out citable slang/casual forms of "saluton", but I'm not seeing any evidence besides that quote, in which the meaning of luton is opaque to me, that luton is actually used in Esperanto.--Prosfilaes (talk) 03:05, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:17, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


Perhaps you would like to explain why you reverted my edit on nub. In case you forgot, here is the explanation I gave in the summary:

made the rest of the example more internet slangy (it makes no sense for the word nub to be inside an otherwise formally written sentence)

--WikiTiki89 (talk) 21:14, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

B3(4U53 L337 5P34|< /\/\4|<35 3\/3R'/7|-|1|\|9 (L34R3R. Let's not make up misspelled hard-to-read examples; if you want a real life example, go cite one. If, indeed, this sense is citable at all.--Prosfilaes (talk) 21:25, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Are you fluent in leet? In any case, I do agree with you. --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 21:32, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
I did not use any leet speak. All I did was uncapitalize the sentences, initialize peanut butter and jelly (which is a common abbreviation for it) and remove the h from what. I wouldn't really call that hard to read, although I will admit I was not very satisfied with the way pb&j looked in lower case. What do you think about a compromise of just removing the capitalization? The word nub really looks out of place in a fully capitalized sentence and lower case sentences are one of the most noticeable features of internet slang. --WikiTiki89 (talk) 21:46, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
I think the real takeaway message from Prosfilaes' statement is that real citations are always better than usage examples. Find a real quote using it, and then we don't have to bicker about whether we like it or not - it exists. If you can't find one, this sense needs to go to WT:RFV and potentially get deleted. --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 23:11, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


Can you turn up the volume of the file File:Fr-Normandie-Marseille.ogg please ? Fête (talk) 00:32, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


It's long been practice here that the main lemma page can include supporting citations from all relevant variant or inflected forms. Otherwise we would be in a ridiculous situation of not being able to show a ‘first’ citation until very recently. While an entry shouldn't be overrun with citations, it's good to have the earliest use possible at the very least. This is basic information for a word: when it first started being used. Ƿidsiþ 19:09, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

It would be nice to be pointed to some page that describes practice instead of just being told that. In any case, that cite is not English, it's Middle English, so we can put it in the etymology; there's no need to keep the citation with the English word.--Prosfilaes (talk) 04:46, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

New appendix[edit]

As a participant in an associated discussion, you are invited to contribute to the list of terms and criteria at Appendix:Terms considered difficult or impossible to translate into English. Cheers,   — C M B J   10:46, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

other pages which use ideographic angle brackets[edit]

I noticed this diff and I agree; I've made a list of the few other pages that likewise use Asian angle brackets (or chevrons, in case any of them should be changed): User:-sche/angles. - -sche (discuss) 03:07, 22 June 2013 (UTC)


I've added more comments to the discussion page since your reversion of my edits to the page itself. I don't know if there's a better way of sending a message. Phil Last (talk) 16:57, 19 December 2013 (UTC)


With the cat ribboning between his legs, Roarke stood and watched. Pg 65; ISBN 0-399-15347-0 --Prosfilaes (talk) 05:11, 10 January 2014 (UTC)


Hi. I don't wanna revert your reverts - but I do think we should discuss the def. First, I find just saying that it is considered "wrong" is a bit clunky - and I am not sure what it means exactly. Do you mean that it is considered "wrong to use"? Second, I wonder if we really need def 2 at all if it is just "a dialect considered as substandard or wrong", because that def just talks about how some people consider/view def 1 - it isn't a new meaning, it is just a usage note. Having said that, I think there is a possible def. 2, where people use the word dialect to refer to any language usage they see as incorrect (poor, bad, wrong, etc.) but they are not specifically referring to dialect (def 1) usage. Your thoughts?Sonofcawdrey (talk) 23:16, 16 October 2015 (UTC)