Talk:makier
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Old French: to do, to make. My three best sources don't have it, the Trésor de Langue Française lists maquier as the etymon of modern French maquiller but without any citations for it. Because it's a verb, it's going to be pretty tough to find, assuming it is out there, because of the variety of conjugated forms. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:21, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- You're right, something is off. Some cite Old French mascurer, masqurer (“to darken (the face)”) as the actual etymology of maquiller, while others cite it as from Old North French maquier, from Old Dutch *maken. I believe if it came directly from Frankish *makōn (“to make, do”), it would have arrived in Old French as maquer, but I can't find any attestations to this form. --Victar (talk) 21:00, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- Maquier and maquer wouldn't really be distinct, as the -i- disappears in many of the conjugated forms. I wouldn't be surprised if makier, maquier or both were out there somewhere, but we have plenty of time to find them (minimum of 30 days). Mglovesfun (talk) 21:12, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- My fourth best source http://gallica.bnf.fr/ only has makier and maquier in etymologies, not in actual running text. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:24, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- I can't find any variation of the word in my Anglo-Norman sources. --Victar (talk) 21:27, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- A Google Books search using "makier" and "etymologie" turns up several sources. It appears the word is actually Old Picard (a dialect of Old French?). The scribal use of k being indicative of Old Northern French dialects prior to the wholesale switch to qu? Leasnam (talk) 18:13, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- Doing that same Google search, I am unable to find a sense that matches the sense that is currently being verified (to fake or counterfeit vs to do). However, I have found two expressions that seem to match: google books:"makier le papelart" (to be a hypocrite) and google books:"makier un plait" (to make a speech). — Xavier, 21:17, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
- A Google Books search using "makier" and "etymologie" turns up several sources. It appears the word is actually Old Picard (a dialect of Old French?). The scribal use of k being indicative of Old Northern French dialects prior to the wholesale switch to qu? Leasnam (talk) 18:13, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- I can't find any variation of the word in my Anglo-Norman sources. --Victar (talk) 21:27, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- My fourth best source http://gallica.bnf.fr/ only has makier and maquier in etymologies, not in actual running text. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:24, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- Maquier and maquer wouldn't really be distinct, as the -i- disappears in many of the conjugated forms. I wouldn't be surprised if makier, maquier or both were out there somewhere, but we have plenty of time to find them (minimum of 30 days). Mglovesfun (talk) 21:12, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Deleted. bd2412 T 14:37, 4 November 2013 (UTC)