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Again, welcome! bd2412 T 02:22, 10 August 2016 (UTC)


Just to note, "initialism" as a part of speech is deprecated, in favour of the actual part of speech. —CodeCat 01:35, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

  • I was using an existing entry as a model. I assume that would be a proper noun, then? bd2412 T 01:36, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
    • I think so, yes. It's deprecated, but we still have existing entries that use it ("abbreviation" and "acronym" are also deprecated). They're being converted as people find them, but it's a slow process. —CodeCat 01:38, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
      • Can't we get a bot list of entries containing the header, "Initialism"? bd2412 T 01:56, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
        • Most likely, there already is one. You could ask at WT:ID if someone can point you to one. —CodeCat 02:32, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
      • Category:English initialisms has more than 5,000 of them. This search finds nearly 11,000, some overlapping with the category and some being spurious. DCDuring TALK 03:16, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
        • Hooboy. bd2412 T 03:20, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
          • I am very strongly tempted to piss everyone off by converting them all to proper nouns! haw. Equinox 03:22, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
            • Just looking at AAA, at least some of them appear to be adjectives (e.g. "Awaiting aircraft availability"). bd2412 T 03:23, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
              • If we want to fix these systematically, it's probably less soul-crushing to start with the small easy ones, rather than the lists of 20 possible expansions. Perhaps get a list of initialism sorted by number of sense lines? (Remember, too, that we have other initialism-esque headers like Acronym and Abbreviation.) I could make a tool to help but I have 50 other things I want to do first. Equinox 03:28, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
                • I actually tend to prefer to tackle the hardest cases first. bd2412 T 03:29, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
                  • You must be one hell of a lawyer :) Equinox 03:30, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Deletion request[edit]

Can you please re-delete one hundred and eleven? It failed RFD but an anon recreated it again. --Dan Polansky (talk) 09:38, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Done, cheers! bd2412 T 02:46, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Homophones in variation appendices?[edit]

Hello! I notice that in appendices like this one or this one, there is a list titled "homophones" that contains various words that are vaguely similar in spelling. Is this some specialized meaning of "homophone"?__Gamren (talk) 14:20, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

  • Homophones are words that are pronounced the same as some form of the variation term. bd2412 T 14:23, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean that an entry A should be considered a homophone on Appendix:Variations of "B" iff, in some language, the word A is homophonic with any of the words that are considered "variations" of B (for some rules that I cannot seem to find)? 'Cause that seems silly.__Gamren (talk) 16:29, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
I don't know that we have written rules for these; they have always just been done this way, but the homophone variations are generally the common examples. bd2412 T 16:55, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Estonian counties[edit]

Would you consider using {{place}} for these? You won't have to type as much, and it can include automatic categories as well. For a county of Estonia, I think you'd use {{place|en|county|c/Estonia}}. —CodeCat 22:48, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Sure, easily done. bd2412 T 22:53, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

About "nove di quadri", "nine of diamonds" and other playing card entries[edit]

I'd like to say something about your edits like diff, where you edited some FL entries like "nove di quadri", and replaced redlinks like "nine of diamonds" by text like "nine of diamonds".

When Wiktionary is "finished" (which will never happen, apparently), personally I think I'd like having any of these scenarios:

  1. having no entries like "nine of diamonds" at all in any language
  2. having all these entries in all languages
  3. having all these entries, but only in English
  4. having exactly one entry in English and nothing else, like "ace of spades"

I believe "nine of diamonds", "nove di quadri" and all others like them are SOP, but the possible reasons for keeping them would be more or less the same reasons for keeping older sister, next year and other members of Category:English non-idiomatic translation targets. We may want older sister but maybe we don't need irmã mais velha (which is "older sister" in Portuguese), because English entries have translation tables, and FL entries don't. That's why I think we may want to keep all entries like "nine of diamonds" in English only. Or have only one English entry to use as the single NISOP, because all the other English entries would be basically the same anyway.

I think it's a bit weird keeping nove di quadri if we won't have nine of diamonds in the first place. I think either deleting all these Italian entries and/or (!) creating all these English entries would be an improvement, but I'm not saying we should do any of this right now. We can discuss it later in the BP.

Maybe what you did was a good idea (at least in short term), I don't know. If we have only nove di quadri and not nine of diamonds, you at least got rid of a redlink, and now we have usable blue links in these entries, instead of controversial redlinks.

That said, I believe this is important: You said "per Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2011/April#Poll: Playing cards" in the edit summaries, but I believe that was not accurate. This statement makes it sound like the poll has a consensus for doing something. I believe the poll "ended" as no consensus — even though technically, the poll never formally ended. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 04:18, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

I don't realistically think we are ever going to include these, unless there is some language issue where there are a number of languages using a single-word term. My impression was that this had been discussed and decided somewhere, but the linked discussion was the last word I could find in an admittedly hasty search. bd2412 T 04:23, 7 April 2017 (UTC)