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Status: Active. (e) Archives: 1 (10/05 - 06/06); 2 (07/06 - 9/15/06); 3 (9/15/06 - 3/12/07); 4 (3/12/07 - 6/28/07); 5 (6/29/07 - 12/31/07); 6 (1/08 - 8/08); 7 (9/08 - 12/09); 8 (12/09-12/11); 9 (1/12-4/16)

Archive of User talk:BD2412 from October 2005 through July 2006.



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Your entry has been wikified and moved to greatest thing since sliced bread. Cheers. SemperBlotto 16:12, 13 October 2005 (UTC)


Wiktionary format is different to that on Wikipedia - please study the Welcome links. SemperBlotto 16:24, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

  • I have tended your seedling so that it doesn't look out of place amongst all the other plants in the garden. I cut back the shoot that was trailing into the garden next door. SemperBlotto 17:18, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Always nice to see a familiar[edit]

face... Hey :-) (extreme boredom has forced me to leave this irrelavant comment!) Cheers. 16:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


You appear to forget the headword from time to time:

# Def.

Vildricianus 20:31, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, some peculiarities seem to reappear time and again in questions – this is one of them. It's partly a relic from the time before case-sensivity, but is still retained because that's the line where inflected forms, gender etc. will appear. Cheers. — Vildricianus 20:38, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

judicagenic injustice[edit]

As you are into things legal - could you look at this entry please? Thanks. SemperBlotto 21:28, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


Nice to see another legal chap. perhaps we should collaborate on things legal. Please look at oyez which I did, but I am not American and the usage note is from common knowlege. Also can you do an entry for oyer. I requested it some time ago, but felt that it needed someone with American and English jurisprudence to do the word. Also, relative to civil action what do Americans call an action between the state and a private individual? e.g. a private citizen has a collision with a state vehicle, and then sues? Finally, (before I bore you to tears), look at negotiorum gestio which SB has asked for a clean up on. I cant think of a more elegant way of doing it. Regards Andrew massyn 20:17, 7 April 2006 (UTC).

i.e. your def for civil action is misleading. A civil action is an action that is neither criminal or adjectival? Not so? Either that or you must amplify your def to let people know how the State is treated. Best wishes Andrew massyn 21:17, 7 April 2006 (UTC).

Shakespeare Wordlist[edit]

Hi. I see you've been working to create our first index to anything in Shakespeare. I'm glad to see someone making that bold effort. I'm currently untertaking to do a Concordance to Henry V, and have been struggling with editorial issues. To whit, I have placed some editorial notes on the Project page regarding the manner in which the list seems to have been edited and created. Again, thanks for getting the ball rolling in this arena. --EncycloPetey 05:31, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks, but someone else imported the list - I just broke it into smaller pages (still unorganized). Cheers! bd2412 T 02:48, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Category talk:Portmanteaus[edit]

Replied. — Vildricianus 11:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. bd2412 T 13:39, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[word not found] injustice[edit]

Thanks for your comments in my Talk today and your direction to helpful resources for a new Wiktionarian. Jahos 02:25, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

sumir speedy[edit]

I gave my reasons for speedy deletion on the word's discussion page. The Spanish definition is fabricated and outright wrong. I don't know anyone who can verify the Icelandic, but I know that the person who created the entry has been wrong more than 50% of the time when he has created Latin or Spanish entries. I wouldn't expect his record to be any different with Icelandic. --EncycloPetey 08:59, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


What is up with the flood? --Connel MacKenzie T C 19:07, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I generally don't welcome contributors that don't have any contributions, as that needlessly increases the DB size (and so many thousands of "user" accounts are created never to be used again.) I'm certain many of them, unfortunately, are genuine potential users. But for each genuine potential user, there are a hundred vandal users created.
If you are only welcoming "current" newly added users, I guess my comment is "knock yourself out!" But perhaps you should do so with a 'bot account, if the volume continues at its current rate? --Connel MacKenzie T C 19:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

It might work on Wikipedia, but eventually, Wiktionary will have many more users, so... :-) — Vildricianus 19:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

BTW, the last time I checked w:Special:Statistics, they had more "users" than articles. Aparently someone devised a programatic way around the CAPTCHA images. --Connel MacKenzie T C 19:29, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm... Wikipedia users have made 52,000,000+ edits... but half of those are probably vandalism and reversion of same. bd2412 T 20:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

See also[edit]

Hello BDA. "See also" is on a level 3 here (only language names on 2). Cheers! — Vildricianus 22:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - I'll check my contributions to see where else I've done that. bd2412 T 22:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


Great work on the timezones. Were you planning on doing them all? :-) Perhaps we could have a special template for listing the abbreviations all on one line (or a one line wikitable) by UTC offset? Do you think {{timezones}} would be useful? --Connel MacKenzie T C 00:37, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

  • Quite so - we can steal Wikipedia's and modify it accordingly... though I believe the one there is only for UTC time zones. bd2412 T 00:39, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

...and here it is:

Local (Winter) Times relative to Universal Time
Time zone name UTC
Hawaii-Aleutian Standard Time UTC-10
Alaska Standard Time UTC-9
Pacific Standard Time UTC-8
Pacific Daylight Savings Time UTC-7
Mountain Standard Time UTC-7
Mountain Daylight Savings Time UTC-6
Central Standard Time UTC-6
Central Daylight Savings Time UTC-5
Eastern Standard Time UTC-5
Eastern Daylight Savings Time UTC-4
Atlantic Standard Time UTC-4
Newfoundland Standard Time UTC-3:30
Greenwich Mean Time/Western European Time UTC
Central European Time UTC+1
Eastern European Time, South Africa Standard Time UTC+2
Moscow Time UTC+3
Pakistan Standard Time UTC+5
Indian Standard Time UTC+5:30
Singapore Standard Time
Hong Kong Time
Australian Western Standard Time
Chinese Standard Time
Japan Standard Time, Korea Standard Time UTC+9
Australian Central Standard Time UTC+9:30
Australian Eastern Standard Time UTC+10
New Zealand Standard Time UTC+12
Hmmm. It looks like it misses the daylight savings timezones though. Some of them are a little tricky, like Arizona Time. --Connel MacKenzie T C 21:59, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Chinese months[edit]

China operates under two calendars, the traditional and the Chinese calendar. I take it you would want all of them? bd2412 T 01:48, 1 May 2006 (UTC) --Yes. It might be worth creating an Appendix similar to the one for Months of the Islamic Year. --EncycloPetey 09:47, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi again. There is already Category:zh:Months, in congruence with all others in Category:Months. Cheers! —Vildricianus 16:26, 1 May 2006 (UTC) PS: Now that I had a closer look, that's perhaps exactly what you intended -- to have two different ones? As China has different months of course. But then I think articles in the category should be English entries... —Vildricianus 16:29, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Your second look is correct - I am modelling this after the reporting of Arabic vs. Islamic months - there is one category for Category:ar:Months (e.g. Arabic names for months in the Gregorian calendar) and separate Category:Islamic months for the months of the Islamic calendar. When you say the articles should be English entries do you mean pinyin or translations? bd2412 T 17:29, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, okay. I don't know a thing about Chinese, so I'm probably completely wrong. But in Appendix:Months of the Chinese Year, there are English names for them, so they look like the likely candidates to be in that category, while the Chinese names would be in Category:zh:Chinese months. Does that make any sense? Forgive me if it doesn't! —Vildricianus 17:58, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
The English names originally to be found in the appendix are what I copied from Wikipedia, but I can not find non-wiki support that these are actually in use. The fruit-or-flower month names (which are used) are not what the Chinese call their months (or what the months translate to), but appear to be a way of denoting them to non-Chinese only. I'll dig deeper on it, tho. Thanks. bd2412 T 18:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Final remark - after consulting with my father in law, it turns out that the fruit and flower names are archaic, now used only by peasant farmers in the hinterlands, as it were. The modern Chinese simply say the equivalent of "month one", "month six", "month eight", etc., e.g. modern usage is the sum of its parts. Cheers! bd2412 T 12:53, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Units of Time[edit]

First of all, thanks for creating the Appendix to the Chinese months of the year! It's so nice to see this information finally showing up on Wiktionary. Second, could you help fill in the Chinese information on Appendix:Units of time? If you know of people who could help fill in more Asian languages, that would be great! --EncycloPetey 12:04, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I will work on it - Cheers! bd2412 T 13:50, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

N'est-ce pas[edit]

Hi. I think you're thinking of "ça va?" French only uses cedillas to soften c when it would otherwise have a hard sound, e.g. before an a. Cheers! Rodasmith 00:59, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


I did not add #3

I see, but you re-added it, although it's a title and not a definition. bd2412 T 18:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I am sorry about that. I am also sorry for my brother vandalizing your page. I have made an account to prevent confusion. Johnjohnston 18:56, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


I believe the newest version comes with it, just click "select language and project" in the "file" menu. You just need to be approved for it on pedia, as there isn't yet a seperate thing. It works the same way as on pedia, though "general fixes" are a bit messed up right now, IIRC. Ask That Guy, From That Show! (the AWB dev who adapted it to wikt) or go to #autowikibrowser for more info, since I don't really know much. --Rory096 03:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! bd2412 T 03:59, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


comments merged into my talk page --Connel MacKenzie T C 04:58, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


The normal word for God in Greek is "theos" (θεος), I don't think I've ever heard "theismos". Theism (in English, at least) is of course derived from theos, and refers to all beliefs which believe in the existence of gods which are actively involved in the world (not to be confused with deism, as you probably knew). I could be wrong... are you sure of that "theismos"? Paul Willocx 18:43, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I believe you are correct - θεος is God, θεϊσμός is the equivalent of putting an -ism at the end of it. I'll correct my entries (this evening - I'm off to a party now). bd2412 T 19:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


I think the word is rather used as slang in egypt, but, where did the french coq come from? I saw this in a documentary I just thought it would be a "helpful" addition.

But I don't see the sources for the other words?

  • Technically, every word should be sourced, but the meanings of most words are so well known as to not arouse suspicion. The kuk/cock connection is rather shady, especially since coq is French for rooster. bd2412 T 23:43, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


If you spot any more such rushing attacks, perhaps a note on an active admin's talk page is faster. WT:VIP is a good idea, but perhaps in such a small community like en:wikt, I doubt which is the fastest. Good night! —Vildricianus 22:50, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the tip - I'll go straight to the source next time. bd2412 T 22:54, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Welcome[edit]

Actually, I've had an account on Wiktionary for a while now, but thanks. Denelson83 04:06, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

 :-) bd2412 T 13:55, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

why are there different links to the same page?!?[edit]

See for instance the Mars article, specifically this section. The Portuguese and the Romanian words are both "Marte", but the former is blue (just like here), while the latter is red. How come? -- Jokes Free4Me 13:26, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Маrte and Marte are from two different character sets. Observe the same words in a Wide Latin font:
Маrte and Marte
Freaky, ain't it? bd2412 T 17:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Damn, so it's entirely my fault... :-( When adding that link, I copied from the russian "Mapc", without thinking that it's a different charset; and changed "pc" to "rte"... Should've wrote all from scratch, or at least changed the whole thing... (which i'm going to do in a few hours or days unless i hear otherwise.) -- Jokes Free4Me 17:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
No biggie - at least it got caught quickly! bd2412 T 19:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


Perhaps it'd be best to do the same here as at Wikipedia. It's quite easy to link this user to the WP admin. Perhaps you will become admin here as well. Cross-project vandals are a new trend (or have they always been so?) — Vildricianus 18:47, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

  • An increasing trend, I think - very rare in the past. bd2412 T 18:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


Is apparently a well known brand of pencil. I said I would do etymologies, and see it is a registered brand name. Perhaps in your other capacity you could find out when it was registered and put the date on the article? [And if you say that will be $1000 please... I'll know you are keeping the reputation of lawyers alive. :)]Andrew massyn 19:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Registration #0,514,179; claimed date of first use: 1900; date of filing for registration: March 26, 1948; registration granted: August 23, 1949; status: live. bd2412 T 19:16, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
  • P.S., that'll be $650. bd2412 T 19:17, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


I see you are interested in religion terms. Perhaps you should ask for them in other languages, i can help with spanish and catalan-- 10:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for offering to help, my goal is to eventually do the following:
  1. include standardized articles for all of the various meta-theories, e.g. agnosticism, atheism, deism, henotheism, kathenotheism, pandeism, panentheism, pantheism, panendeism, polydeism, polytheism, theism, possibly some others
  2. provide the major parts of speech for use of each term, e.g. theism, theist, theists, theistic, theistical, theistically
  3. provide translations for each in Spanish, French, and German, to begin with (unless I come across an easy source for other languages as well) - for these terms, so far it seems that Spanish and Portuguese are identical.
Thanks again! bd2412 T 14:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Substing templates[edit]

Hi. Is there some reason to subst inflection templates? I have always been told that we do not do so in English Wiktionary. If templates are subst'ed, it will be considerably more difficult to convert to the new inflection templates. (BTW, this is regarding this edit.) Rod (A. Smith) 18:18, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I thought the general rule was that templates should be subst'ed to save server strain - I'll gladly undo it if I was in error! bd2412 T 18:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
No, that's more Wikipedia practice. The majority of templates here is not subst'ed; exceptions are the welcome things and such. — Vildricianus 18:35, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
As my father says, you learn something new every day! bd2412 T 21:41, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


Actually, according to w:Wikipedia:Changing username, it is still possible to usurp an existing account so long as no edits have been made from it. bd2412 T 16:37, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Correct, but then developer intervention is needed, right? And AFAIK, no WP bureaucrat endorses it. — Vildricianus 17:02, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, usually it is considered in light of one person wanting a username absently registered by another, but here there is no question that the person who has registered the name would support its usurpation. bd2412 T 17:48, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
... but your solution on Paul's page is better! bd2412 T 17:51, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
But is it technically possible for a bureaucrat to rename to existing accounts? — Vildricianus 17:53, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
My understanding is that this is possible iff the existing account has never made any edits. bd2412 T 18:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Free On Board[edit]

versus free on board ? — Vildricianus 17:52, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Good point. Redirected. bd2412 T 17:55, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

... but level two headers are only for languages! :-) — Vildricianus 17:56, 29 June 2006 (UTC), typo. bd2412 T 22:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Welcome[edit]

Although I've been on Wiktionary for quite a while now, thanks anyway! -- Denelson83 07:34, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Breaking the law[edit]

Could you confirm that User:Brian0918/Hotlist doesn't infringe any copyrights? — Vildricianus 12:34, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

At first blush I'm not to worried about it (esp. if we knock out all the blue links), but I'll have to look at it later - right now, know how busy I am? I'm sofa king busy! bd2412 T 17:12, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Being busy is good - tempts me to keep on bugging you :-). The idea is, though, to keep the blue links, especially. We're/I'm considering populating Index:English with this list. — Vildricianus 21:48, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


Hi BD; let me remind you, we only do interwikis for the same spelling on other wiktionaries, not for translations. — Vildricianus 13:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Remind me? How can you remind me of something I never knew in the first place? bd2412 T 17:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Ah; I didn't realize it was completely different from how WP does it. So yes, we only do interwikis for the same spelling on other wiktionaries. See work. This is all automatically done by bot. Translations go in the translation section, of course. — Vildricianus 17:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Opting in[edit]

Per edit summary... bd2412 T 14:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)