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May 2018

Is transcribing source material copyright infringement?[edit]

Hi, I'm new here? As my username suggests, I recently bought a book on the Iaai language (specifically 'Tusi Hwen Iaau Ae Thep / Ouvéa - Guide Historique et Linguistique de Iaai / Ouvéa - Historical and linguistic guide of Iaai, by Daniel Miroux.) Wiktionary seems to have very few articles, if any on this language, however, there seems to be something about not just transcribing words from the dictionary, in case of copyright infringement. The medium of the book is French, meaning that I would be personally translating any Iaai words from the book from the French translation provided into English. Is that still copyright infringement, and therefore unacceptable? Thanks. AKidWhoBoughtABookAboutTheIaaiLanguage (talk) 09:49, 1 May 2018 (UTC) AKidWhoBoughtABookAboutTheIaaiLanguage (talk) 09:57, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

  • The easiest thing is to make a slow start - just add a few entries - and we'll let you know. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:36, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

@AKidWhoBoughtABookAboutTheIaaiLanguage, so you don't miss answers. --Per utramque cavernam 10:40, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

It really depends on how much you're copying. If the dictionary tells you that köiö means eau, and you tell us it means "water", that's not a copyvio. But if the dictionary has an entry with several different senses, and you copy all of that word-for-word (even translated out of French) here, or if it has usage examples you copy word-for-word, that's more problematic. Also, keep in mind that anyone can make mistakes, and if the dictionary you're using has a typo in an Iaai word, you don't want to copy it over here. For that reason, it's better to use multiple dictionaries and only enter terms if all of them agree on the spelling and meaning. (And I recommend changing your username; this one is long and unwieldy, and what if your linguistic interests have moved on in a year or two?) —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 11:41, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

instead of also a conjunction?[edit]

The entry instead of says it is a preposition, and "is always followed by a noun (often a gerund)". But isn't it also a conjunction (and then followed by a subordinate clause)? For example: "Let's get up now rather than when the bus stops." (Sorry, I'm not a native speaker. I hope the example is correct English.) 17:53, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

You haven't provided an example sentence. Did you mean "Let's get up now instead of when the bus stops."? --Per utramque cavernam 18:01, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Yes, sorry. (I also meant to say that instead of behaves pretty much like rather than, which is listed as both conjunction and preposition.) -- 12:22, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
No worries. "Let's get up now instead of when the bus stops." doesn't strike me as wrong, but English isn't my native tongue either. @DCDuring? --Per utramque cavernam 12:24, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
The sentence sounds informal but grammatical to me, but I think I'd interpret "when the bus stops" as standing in for a noun there, rather than interpreting "instead of" as a conjunction. There are other times when phrases like that can stand in for nouns: in When the bus stops would be a good time to stand up it functions as the subject; in I hate when the bus stops suddenly it functions as the direct object. —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 12:34, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
I'd go with what the native English speaker formerly known as Angr says. DCDuring (talk) 16:47, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks all. -- 11:36, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
Now that that's settled I'd like to be told that I am wrong with the following.
Not a native speaker either, but "when ..." is an embedded question and I don't think those are usually seen as noun phrases. The difference being, a noun phrase is headed by a noun, I guess. The only saving grace here is a zero pronoun.: "I hate (it) when the us stops". My dislike for he indefinite it not withstanding, the lack f it could be parsed as "I am hating when the bus stops". More so in German, where here would be no difference in translation. The crux is, the w:zero (linguistics) pronoun does seem very clunky in the original example: "... now instead of (it) when the bus stops."
Also, "now instead of when" can be normalized to "before".
Ultimately, I don't think there is a dilemma. A preposition could well be a conjunctionat the same time. "the bus stops" is a complete clause, "(we) let us" , as well, and they are conjoined. But there are different schools of grammar, so the question is trippy. IMHO, conjunction is less specific and thus doesn't need to be mentioned. 09:03, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

How do you create a sandbox for yourself?[edit]

How do you create your own user sandbox?

Visit a page under your own user space, and create it, like this one: User:Bondboy9756/sandbox. Equinox 10:16, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Undetermined etymology-only languages[edit]

I just made Category:Xianbei, Category:Idiom Neutral, and Category:Turduli. Since their codes start with und, I categorized them into Category:Undetermined language, but this seems a bit weird. Can they be categorized as Mongolic, constructed, and Indo-European respectively? If not, what's the best way to organize them? – Gormflaith (talk) 15:11, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

@-sche? --Per utramque cavernam 13:55, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
The problem is that etym-only languages have to have a "parent", i.e. a regular language that they're considered a variety of. (A "parent" is thus distinct from an "ancestor", which is a chronologically earlier language that the language in question is descended from.) For Idiom Neutral that could be Volapük, but there isn't any such language for Xianbei and Turdulian (which AFAICT is the name of the language, Turduli being a plural noun referring to the people). Maybe we should have a different approach to unattested languages than we do to attested etym-only varieties of languages. —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 15:15, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps we should treat them as 'full' but reconstructed languages, and put them in Module:languages, if we expect that if people one day find attestations, the lects will be included as languages rather than subsumed into other lects. (This would probably especially make sense if terms have been reconstructed.) I considered that at the time, but decided to treat them as etym-only in part because that's how other such things were already treated (these three are not the only ones of undetermined family affiliation), including the catch-all "pre-Roman substrate"s. (Some prior discussion is at Talk:Obulco.) As for the name: I went with "Turduli" because I couldn't actually find any use of "Turdulian" as a language name, but feel free to rename it. - -sche (discuss) 17:30, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Renaming article titled with incorrect phonetic romanization[edit]

Found another mistake in an entry for Chinese word 人間樂園 where one phoneme chosen was the wrong one (the character 樂 can be any one of yuè , lè , yào , lào , luò , and that's just the Mandarin pronunciations!)

Somehow for 'paradise', the phoneme yuè was chosen, but that's for 'music', not the correct lè for happiness. Now corrected there.

But searching around I find there is an article titled rénjiān yuèyuán that links the romanized phonetic transcription to the article 人間樂園. This article needs to be renamed to be rénjiān lèyuán, as well as having the Zhuyin corrected.

Can an article rename be requested simply here? Shenme (talk) 04:25, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

There should be an option to move it, near the Edit tab. —Suzukaze-c 04:26, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback, entry moved. (For future reference, you should be able to find 'Move' under the 'More' dropdown on the top of the page.) Wyang (talk) 04:47, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Thank you both. Shenme (talk) 04:06, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Words ending with 'craft'[edit]

How many words are there that end with 'craft'? Here is the list I can find: statecraft, witchcraft, handicraft, spacecraft, aircraft, watercraft. Is there a two/three-syllable word ending with 'craft' that means writing expertise/productivity? J. Wiwat (talk) 06:18, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, SemperBlotto and Mahāgaja. I appreciate your information, the list of 126 words ending with 'craft' is definitely amazing! J. Wiwat (talk) 13:52, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

respectfully - respectively[edit]

I've just seen someone use respectfully in the sense of respectively. Is this a common mistake? --Per utramque cavernam 10:27, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Probably. --Thnidu (talk) 22:39, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Plausible but I can't remember encountering it myself. Equinox 22:43, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
example. DTLHS (talk) 22:51, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
I'm joking, but could you see this labeled a misspelling? 09:05, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

How to use senseid?[edit]

I've just edited English noun sense #5 of "help". My reasoning is too long for the edit summary bar, so I put it on the talk page and linked there from the summary bar. I would have liked to link directly to that sense, both on the talk page and here, but senseid (Module:senseid, Module:senseid/templates) is completely without documentation and has been for years. Module:senseid has over 500 links to it, but no documentation. If this is supposed to be the dictionary anyone can edit, how the heck can anyone edit it without documentation? (Mood: annoyed, verging on angry) --Thnidu (talk) 22:39, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

@Thnidu I think you should be looking for Template:senseid. —Suzukaze-c 23:19, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Usage notes in english entries[edit]

How could I find every single usage note in entries of the english dictionary in the English language? Thnanks --Backinstadiums (talk) 09:04, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

You can't search only within a single language section, so you would have to download and process a database dump using a custom-developed script. Equinox 10:20, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
@Equinox: Some months ago somebody did it for me just for those in the arabic entries, yet I cannot find it anymore. --Backinstadiums (talk) 13:42, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
Searching (using the regular on-site search function) for "Usage notes" incategory:"English lemmas" and "Usage notes" incategory:"English non-lemma forms", although it turns up some false positives (English words homographic to foreign words that have usage notes), catches English words with usage notes. - -sche (discuss) 14:59, 17 May 2018 (UTC)


Why no etymology?

Better now? —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 10:24, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

in or for?[edit]

I wonder which preposition is correct in the context of the Nobel Prize, for instance: He was awarded the Nobel Prize for literature in 1957. [Camus, Albert. The Outsider. Stuart Gilbert, tr. Harmondsworth: Penguin, p. i] He received the 1949 Nobel prize in physics ... Yukawa, Hideki. "TABIBITO" (The Traveler). L. Brown & R. Yoshida, tr. Singapore: World Scientific, 1982, p. 4] J. Wiwat (talk) 14:22, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

The preposition that follows Nobel Prize does not depend on Nobel Prize, it depends on the next word. In the case of physics and chemistry, I feel that in is better. As for literature, either seems fine. However, you can use either preposition in each case as you see fit. —Stephen (Talk) 03:28, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Cat:en:Body parts or Cat:en:Anatomy?[edit]

While adding the PIE word for heel, *tpḗrsneh₂ to the Cat:ine-pro:Anatomy category, I noticed that the latter category didn't have a page yet, which I found puzzling. I then found out that the body parts were all over at Cat:ine-pro:Body parts, which was created quite recently. In contrast with this, terms for body parts in English seem to pretty much all be over at Cat:en:Anatomy instead. So where are they to go? It seems the Body parts cat is more specific, but then I'm not sure what should go in the Anatomy cat. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 17:49, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

AFAIK "body parts" is a "list" category, to contain all body parts (potentially in subcategories). "Anatomy" is a "topic" category, but it's also added by a label, which means it contains both terms relating to the topic of anatomy, and terms specific to the jargon of anatomy. There have been proposals to change our category naming scheme (to the extent we have one) so that such differences would be clearer. - -sche (discuss) 18:02, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
Anatomy is for terms used mainly in the context of anatomy, like suprarenal. Redboywild (talk) 10:22, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
I agree. For a long time we've been misusing CAT:Anatomy for body parts, but it's really for technical terms, not everyday terms for parts of the body. —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 10:55, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
Then terms could fit into both categories, as in the case of technical terms for body parts (abdomen vs. belly; Os vs. Knochen, Bein). - 04:43, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Citing sources[edit]

How do you cite sources on Wiktionary? When creating ball hockey, I tried using the ref tags from Wikipedia, but it added the link as a second definition. Please see the page's diffs, as I have removed the source for the time being. EhSayer (talk) 02:08, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

I just added the link under a separate "references" section, although I do not think it is correct. EhSayer (talk) 02:37, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
You should demonstrate usage with quotations. Dictionary links are nice but they don't really attest the entry. DTLHS (talk) 02:38, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

undocumented syllables[edit]

what is the reason so many korean hangeul syllables are not documented? are these syllables not used or they just haven't reveived input yet? thanks Wikiblarty

Why should we have entries for them? Are they interesting in any way other than as a Unicode artifact? DTLHS (talk) 19:28, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Entry with a gallery section[edit]

Could someone show me an entry with a horizontal photo gallery please? I need to copy it for an entry. Thanks. Kaixinguo~enwiktionary (talk) 10:50, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Never mind, I found one. Kaixinguo~enwiktionary (talk) 12:26, 26 May 2018 (UTC)


Cf. Appendix:Glossary#p, proscribe

Is that term and label restricted to proscription out of etymological or grammatical reasons, or can it also be used for proscription out of political reasons? E.g. can disabled be labelled {{lb|en|proscribed}} as it's politcally incorrect and PC guys prescribe wordings like "physically challenged", "differently abled", or "disabled people" (instead of the noun "the disabled")?
Properly speaking, the reason for the proscription shouldn't matter, making all proscribed politically incorrect terms proscribed and the prescribed politically correct terms prescribed. An interessting matter then are terms which were prescribed but became proscribed in the evolution of PC lingo. Are they to be labelled {{lb|en|once|_|prescribed|now|_|proscribed}}? -Scriptor-33 (talk) 18:24, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

The label is used to indicate that a term is proscribed, regardless of reason. Both the reason and the proscribing authorities should be mentioned in a usage note (or perhaps in <ref>s). - -sche (discuss) 19:17, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

A website for finding a husband or wife in English[edit]

What do you call a website for finding a husband or wife in English? I can't think of it. Thanks. Kaixinguo~enwiktionary (talk) 19:17, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't know a fixed phrase for this. The women may be called mail-order brides (even online). Equinox 19:20, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
An online dating site? DTLHS (talk) 19:21, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
A matchmaking, matrimonial or marriage website. — Ungoliant (falai) 19:22, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
I don't know about online, but I've seen marriage agency, and a marriage broker might be something along those lines in cultures with arranged marriages. Chuck Entz (talk) 19:46, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks my dears. you can say this in UK English Kaixinguo~enwiktionary (talk) 19:49, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

June 2018

How do I bring in a definition from KANJIDICT?[edit]

KANJIDICT is an online project with a creative commons license which allows copying with attribution. I wish to copy their translations for the (heretofore undefined) kanji From what I can tell from the help pages Wiktionary is fine with direct copying from public domain material and I have no reason to believe there would be a problem with direct importation from this resource either (though it has a creative commons license and is not public domain). For this project I believe a citation in a References section nested under the language would be sufficient. Does this work with the Wiktionary policy too? Bhbuehler (talk) 05:44, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

@Bhbuehler: IANAL, but my understanding is that attribution, ideally with a link, in a References section or even just the edit summary, should suffice for that license. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 11:33, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you Μετάknowledge. You don't need to be a lawyer 😀. Copying something verbatim makes me feel uneasy (even with attribution and the correct license) so I needed a second opinion. Bhbuehler (talk) 05:03, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

In case anyone else needs this information in the future, there is also a KANJIDIC template which automatically puts a reference to the project in the appropriate place. Unfortunately it doesn't have a spot for the Heisig 6th edition number. (Only the old editions.) Bhbuehler (talk) 07:18, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

@suzukaze-c, who edited that template most recently, might be able to help. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 08:33, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

I want information about RAAH BABA. Its a puja which is done in Bihar its a very good puja[edit]

Please upload information about RAAH BABA. Its a puja which is done all over BIHAR. I request you to please prove whole story or big information on Raah Baba.

राह बाबा (rāh bābā), पूजा (pūjā)
Wrong place. Please make your request at w:Wikipedia:Requested articles and hi:w:विकिपीडिया:अनुरोधित लेख. —Stephen (Talk) 23:13, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Newbie question: How do I find the code for a template?[edit]

If I go to a template page and click edit, there's no code. I'm trying to find the code for Template:zu-IPA.

Smashhoof2 (talk) 04:41, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

When you see #invoke that means there's a Lua module being used, in this case Module:zu-IPA. DTLHS (talk) 04:43, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Temporary user rights[edit]

Is there such a thing as giving a user special rights for a limited amount of time (like 48 hours)? I think I've seen it on Wikipedia before. (I need to move a bunch of entries to fix an orthography thing, and it would be nice to not leave a ton of redirects the poor admins have to delete). No worries if admin rights are restricted to admins only :-) — Julia • formerly Gormflaith • 00:23, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

@Julia: From a technical perspective, it's easy to grant someone a userright briefly. Policy-wise, I also don't think it's a big deal. My concern is that you may be a little off on what your task is in this particular instance: it's okay to have alternate orthographies or spellings (e.g. yogurt and yoghurt or Bahai, Baha'i and Bahá'í). Can you give me an idea of what you have in mind? —Justin (koavf)TCM 00:30, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
@Koavf: Moving all verb that end with "n" in Category:Alemannic German verbs (that don't have another language on the page of course). I've created 100% of them. The "silent n" is not used outside of dictionaries, and is only there to show a historical connection to Middle High German forms. See this discussion on my user page for more details. — Julia • formerly Gormflaith • 00:37, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
@Julia: Oh, well this seems very sensible then. Meine Deutsche nicht ist gut, so I'm not qualified to say anything about whether or not High Alemannic infinitives ended in -n, so if other knowledgeable contributors agree and you made the pages in the first place, it seems reasonable to me. en.wp has a page mover role that we don't have here which allows you to move a page without creating a redirect (i.e. you can delete a page when doing a move), so the only options I see are 1.) having a bot with admin abilities do it or 2.) having a bureaucrat give you admin privileges for 48 hours (which again, is a totally doable thing). —Justin (koavf)TCM 00:42, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
@Koavf: Honestly admin rights would be easier, because as I go through I can check WhatLinksHere, fix those, and I want to add a template as I go through. I probably will be done by like 04:00 UTC tonight or if not 14:00 (tomorrow morning for me), so you or someone else can take it away then. — Julia • formerly Gormflaith • 01:04, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
@Julia I'm an admin but not a bureaucrat. That's a user access level I cannot grant. But changing them comes with the option for them to expire, so no one even needs to deliberately take it away again. —Justin (koavf)TCM 01:49, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
@Koavf I'll ask a bureaucrat tomorrow, then. Thanks for the help. — Julia • formerly Gormflaith • 02:34, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
@Julia, I've given you temporary admin powers for this purpose. They will expire automatically in one week. —Stephen (Talk) 07:24, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
@Stephen G. Brown Thanks so much. – — Julia • formerly Gormflaith • 11:50, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
@Stephen G. Brown Or maybe should I say thank you so much myself instead, as you gave the rights to me: Special:log/rights/Stephen G. Brown. I let you fix that. Haha :-) — Automatik (talk) 16:34, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Fixed. Wow, how weird. When I started to add Julia's bit, I decided to check on something and clicked out. Then I clicked back to Julia's page and added the bit without looking at the name. Obviously I clicked too far. Thanks for the headsup. —Stephen (Talk) 21:00, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Estonian inflection table templates[edit]

In many of the Wiktionary entries for Estonian I find “(genitive [please provide], partitive [please provide]) and “This adjective, noun, numeral etc needs an inflection-table template”. These are obviously requests that people have made for the stated forms but for some strange reason nobody ever provides them. I have provided the requested forms but my contributions have been ignored. What is the point of requesting something and ignoring it when it is provided? Here are the forms for teine (second, other, another) and a few other Estonian nouns. Will someone please enter them in Wiktionary instead of ignoring them?

Genitive singular: teise
Partitive singular: teist
Remaining forms:-
Illative singular: teisesse, teise
Inessive singular: teises
Elative singular: teisest
Allative singular: teisele
Adessive singular: teisel
Ablative singular: teiselt
Translative singular: teiseks
Terminative singular: teiseni
Essive singular: teisena
Abessive singular: teiseta
Comitative singular: teisega
Nominative plural: teised
Genitive plural: teiste
Partitive plural: teisi
Illative plural: teistesse
Inessive plural: teistes
Elative plural: teistest
Allative plural: teistele
Adessive plural: teistel
Ablative plural: teistelt
Translative plural: teisteks
Terminative plural: teisteni
Essive plural: teistena
Abessive plural: teisteta
Comitative plural: teistega
kapp (cupboard, wardrobe)
Genitive singular: kapi
Partitive singular: kappi
Remaining forms:-
Illative singular: kapisse, kappi
Inessive singular: kapis
Elative singular: kapist
Allative singular: kapile
Adessive singular: kapil
Ablative singular: kapilt
Translative singular: kapiks
Terminative singular: kapini
Essive singular: kapina
Abessive singular: kapita
Comitative singular: kapiga
Nominative plural: kapid
Genitive plural: kappide
Partitive plural: kappe, kappisid
Illative plural: kappidesse
Inessive plural: kappides
Elative plural: kappidest
Allative plural: kappidele
Adessive plural: kappidel
Ablative plural: kappidelt
Translative plural: kappideks
Terminative plural: kappideni
Essive plural: kappidena
Abessive plural: kappideta
Comitative plural: kappidega
kael (neck)
Genitive singular: kaela
Partitive singular: kaela
Remaining forms:-
Illative singular: kaelasse, kaela
Inessive singular: kaelas
Elative singular: kaelast
Allative singular: kaelale
Adessive singular: kaelal
Ablative singular: kaelalt
Translative singular: kaelaks
Terminative singular: kaelani
Essive singular: kaelana
Abessive singular: kaelata
Comitative singular: kaelaga
Nominative plural: kaelad
Genitive plural: kaelade, kaelte
Partitive plural: kaelu
Illative plural: kaeladesse
Inessive plural: kaelades
Elative plural: kaeladest
Allative plural: kaeladele
Adessive plural: kaeladel
Ablative plural: kaeladelt
Translative plural: kaeladeks
Terminative plural: kaeladeni
Essive plural: kaeladena
Abessive plural: kaeladeta
Comitative plural: kaeladega

Does nael (nail, pound) follow the same pattern as kael? Please check whether naelte occurs as one of the forms of the genitive plural or whether there is only the one form, naelade.

nael (nail, pound)
Genitive singular: naela
Partitive singular: naela
Remaining forms:-
Illative singular: naelasse, naela
Inessive singular: naelas
Elative singular: naelast
Allative singular: naelale
Adessive singular: naelal
Ablative singular: naelalt
Translative singular: naelaks
Terminative singular: naelani
Essive singular: naelana
Abessive singular: naelata
Comitative singular: naelaga
Nominative plural: naelad
Genitive plural: naelade, naelte
Partitive plural: naelu
Illative plural: naeladesse
Inessive plural: naelades
Elative plural: naeladest
Allative plural: naeladele
Adessive plural: naeladel
Ablative plural: naeladelt
Translative plural: naeladeks
Terminative plural: naeladeni
Essive plural: naeladena
Abessive plural: naeladeta
Comitative plural: naeladega
kuld (gold)
Genitive singular: kulla
Partitive singular: kulda
Remaining forms:-
Illative singular: kullasse, kulda
Inessive singular: kullas
Elative singular: kullast
Allative singular: kullale
Adessive singular: kullal
Ablative singular: kullalt
Translative singular: kullaks
Terminative singular: kullani
Essive singular: kullana
Abessive singular: kullata
Comitative singular: kullaga

One would have thought that this is a mass noun and as such has only singular forms. However, apparently plural forms occur. If desired, they are as follows:

Nominative plural: kullad
Genitive plural: kuldade
Partitive plural: kuldasid, kuldi
Illative plural: kuldadesse
Inessive plural: kuldades
Elative plural: kuldadest
Allative plural: kuldadele
Adessive plural: kuldadel
Ablative plural: kuldadelt
Translative plural: kuldadeks
Terminative plural: kuldadeni
Essive plural: kuldadena
Abessive plural: kuldadeta
Comitative plural: kuldadega

—This unsigned comment was added by Johnling60 (talkcontribs).

Sorry if it seems like we're ignoring you. Someone who knows Estonian needs to work on these. @Strombones is one of our Estonian editors. To add these forms, we have to use Estonian templates, such as one found here: Category:Estonian declension-table templates. Maybe User:Strombones could show you how to use the Estonian templates, and then you could add these forms yourself. —Stephen (Talk) 05:20, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Yep, noun inflection is all covered by templates. Verb templates have a few holes (like pidama, which has an irregular passive; there's no verb template for irregular verbs as far as I know). To see a noun's type, consult the ÕS - here's the page for "teine" - as you can see, it is type "oluline", and we have a template for it. It's just not been added to that specific page. For nouns with 2 declension types I usually just add 2 declension tables. For "nael", it is both type "hein" and type "leib". (in this case this is because it has 3 different partitive plurals - "naelu", "naeli", and "naelasid") Nouns also have an irregular template, as seen in lühida, which doesn't have a singular nominative. Strombones (talk) 09:12, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Estonian verb conjugation[edit]

keetma (to boil, to cook) - transitive

Presumably the conjugation of this verb will follow that of saatma (to accompany, to escort, to send), therefore the forms are as follows:

Present indicative active:

Singular: 1st person: keedan 2nd person: keedad 3rd person: keedab Plural: 1st person: keedame 2nd person: keedate 3rd person: keedavad Negative: ei keeda Passive positive: keedetakse Passive negative: ei keedeta

Past indicative active:

Singular: 1st person: keetsin 2nd person: keetsid 3rd person: keetis Plural: 1st person: keetsime 2nd person: keetsite 3rd person: keetsid Negative: ei keetnud Passive positive: keedeti Passive negative: ei keedetud

Perfect indicative active:

Singular: 1st person: olen keetnud 2nd person: oled keetnud 3rd person: on keetnud Plural: 1st person: oleme keetnud 2nd person: olete keetnud 3rd person: on keetnud Negative: ei ole keetnud, pole keetnud Passive positive: on keedetud Passive negative: ei ole keedetud, pole keedetud

Pluperfect indicative:

Singular: 1st person: olin keetnud 2nd person: olid keetnud 3rd person: oli keetnud Plural: 1st person: olime keetnud 2nd person: olite keetnud 3rd person: olid keetnud Negative: ei olnud keetnud, polnud keetnud Passive positive: oli keedetud Passive negative: ei olnud keedetud, polnud keedetud

Conditional present active:

Singular: 1st person: keedaksin 2nd person: keedaksid 3rd person: keedaks Plural: 1st person: keedaksime 2nd person: keedaksite 3rd person: keedaksid Negative: ei keedaks Passive positive: keedetaks Passive negative: ei keedetaks

Conditional perfect active:

Singular: 1st person: oleksin keetnud 2nd person: oleksid keetnud 3rd person: oleks keetnud Plural: 1st person: oleksime keetnud 2nd person: oleksite keetnud 3rd person: oleksid keetnud Negative: ei oleks saatnud, poleks keetnud Passive positive: oleks keedetud Passive negative: ei oleks keedetud, poleks keedetud

Imperative present positive:

Singular: 2nd person: keeda 3rd person: keetku Plural: 1st person: keetkem 2nd person: keetke 3rd person: keetku Passive: keedetagu

Imperative present negative:

Singular: 2nd person: ära keeda 3rd person: ärgu keetku Plural: 1st person: ärgem keetkem 2nd person: ärge keetke 3rd person: ärgu keetku Passive: ärgu keedetagu

Imperative perfect positive:

Singular: 3rd person: olgu keetnud Plural: 3rd person: olgu keetnud Passive: olgu keedetud

Imperative perfect negative:

Singular: 3rd person: ärgu olgu keetnud Plural: 3rd person: ärgu olgu keetnud Passive: ärgu olgu keedetud

Quotative present:

Active positive: keetvat Passive positive: keedetavat Active negative: ei keetvat Passive negative: ei keedetavat

Quotative perfect:

Active positive: olevat keetnud Passive positive: olevat keedetud Active negative: ei olevat keetnud, polevat keetnud Passive negative: ei olevat keedetud, polevat keedetud

Nominal forms:

ma-infinitive active: Nominative: keetma Inessive: keetmas Elative: keetmast Translative: keetmaks Abessive: keetmata ma-infinitive passive: keedetama da-infinitive: da-form: keeta des-form: keetes


Present active: keetev Present passive: keedetav Past active: keetnud Past passive: keedetud

Please check that all the above forms are correct then create an inflection table template with the complete conjugation of this verb. Johnling60 (talk) 00:09, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Estonian noun declension[edit]

külmkapp (refrigerator)

Genitive singular: külmkapi
Partitive singular: külmkappi
Remaining forms:-
Illative singular: külmkapisse, külmkappi
Inessive singular: külmkapis
Elative singular: külmkapist
Allative singular: külmkapile
Adessive singular: külmkapil
Ablative singular: külmkapilt
Translative singular: külmkapiks
Terminative singular: külmkapini
Essive singular: külmkapina
Abessive singular: külmkapita
Comitative singular: külmkapiga
Nominative plural: külmkapid
Genitive plural: külmkappide
Partitive plural: külmkappe, külmkappisid
Illative plural: külmkappidesse
Inessive plural: külmkappides
Elative plural: külmkappidest
Allative plural: külmkappidele
Adessive plural: külmkappidel
Ablative plural: külmkappidelt
Translative plural: külmkappideks
Terminative plural: külmkappideni
Essive plural: külmkappidena
Abessive plural: külmkappideta
Comitative plural: külmkappidega

Johnling60 (talk) 00:23, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Estonian noun declension - kael[edit]

Please create an inflection table template for kael (neck) and complete with the declension already given. Johnling60 (talk) 00:33, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Clarification to Wiktionary:Entry layout[edit]

I felt that some of the text in the section List of headings was particularly unclear, in the sense that a reader would not get the intended meaning unless they already knew it. So I devised a replacement text. I cannot apply it myself; the page is locked to prevent editing. "View source" calls up a text that suggests recommending any additions or changes to the page on its talkpage. Which I duly did, here: Wiktionary talk:Entry layout#Indentation?. That was three-and-a-half months ago, but nothing happened.  --Lambiam 16:31, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

As the top of the page says, any change requires discussion, and any major change requires a vote. The forum designated for policy discussion is the Beer parlour; you can try posting your suggested changes there. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 11:31, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done: posted at the Beer parlour.  --Lambiam 21:06, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Estonian noun declension - raha[edit]

raha (money, currency) Genitive singular: raha Partitive singular: raha Remaining forms:- Illative singular: rahasse, rahha Inessive singular: rahas Elative singular: rahast Allative singular: rahale Adessive singular: rahal Ablative singular: rahalt Translative singular: rahaks Terminative singular: rahani Essive singular: rahana Abessive singular: rahata Comitative singular: rahaga Nominative plural: rahad Genitive plural: rahade Partitive plural: rahasid Illative plural: rahadesse Inessive plural: rahades Elative plural: rahadest Allative plural: rahadele Adessive plural: rahadel Ablative plural: rahadelt Translative plural: rahadeks Terminative plural: rahadeni Essive plural: rahadena Abessive plural: rahadeta Comitative plural: rahadega Johnling60 (talk) 17:18, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Estonian noun declension - kael[edit]

Why has nobody created an inflection table template for this word despite the fact that the full declension is available on the information desk? Johnling60 (talk) 17:21, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

There's only a few nouns with this exact type (both hein and leib), so there's really no point imo in making a special template for just this case. Strombones (talk) 17:29, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Faulty conjugation needs correcting.[edit]

The past participle of einchecken is eingecheckt, not eincheckt. According to duden.de -- 09:42, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done  --Lambiam 11:16, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

category for mental illness[edit]

Do we have a category for mental illness terms like insanity, madness, delusion, etc.? ---> Tooironic (talk) 05:48, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

There is Category:Psychiatry. Wyang (talk) 06:45, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Frank. That's helpful. ---> Tooironic (talk) 08:48, 19 June 2018 (UTC)