Talk:pretender

I Know dictionaries speaking of: «A claimant to an vacant or already occupied throne». I do not know any dictionary speaking of: «A claimant to an abolished or already occupied throne». I would like to know on what dictionary was writen such word: «abolished». And I propose the substitution of «abolished» by «vacant». I can't claim something that was abolished, first, I will have to claim it's re-instatement, so that, after, I can claim the new real thing now re-instate. Salut, Jorge alo (talk) 15:23, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Here you have 31 dictionaries of English [1]: try to find one with the expression «pretender to an abolished throne». Salut again, Jorge alo (talk) 15:44, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Portuguese "pretender"

The second given definition for the Portuguese verb "pretender" is "to pretend". But there is also a usage note that "pretender" is a false friend, and does not mean the most common definition of "to pretend". Since the four given definitions of the English word "pretend" are all closely related, that makes me wonder which definition(s) of English "pretend" that Portuguese "pretender" does map to.

Is it only the obsolete definition of "to intend" (also given as a separate definition of "pretender")? If so, then I don't think that "to pretend" should be included at all. I would appreciate a Portuguese expert to provide some assistance here! --Psiphiorg (talk) 06:06, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

RFV discussion: March 2021–January 2023

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pretender

Spanish. Rfv-sense - to pretend
Sense was removed by 118.189.41.31 (diff). 🔥शब्दशोधक🔥 04:06, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

According to WordReference.com, the verb is used with the sense “to claim” in Latin-American Spanish. If so, it is a regional semantic loan. I did not readily see such uses, but they are hard to search for. If the sense is kept, the usage note should be adapted accordingly.  --Lambiam 14:05, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

A book use: “pretendió que todo estaba bien”.^[2] This is a translation of an English novel, translated by a Chilean translator and published in Chile. Another one: “pretendamos que no pasó nada”.^[3] This autobiographical account is set in a context of a Latin American immigrant family in NYC. A use in the Spanish Wikipedia, in the article It (novela): “toda la ciudad pretendió que nunca ocurrió”. Judging from their edits, the editor who wrote this appears to be based in Mexico.  --Lambiam 14:07, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

I added those two quotations to the entry. Both are from translations, so I'm not sure whether they just reflect carelessness on the part of the translator or whether this sense is really in use in everyday speech/writing, but they should technically count toward attestation either way. We can't quote es.wikipedia, so I didn't add that citation. @Lambiam, (Notifying Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV, Metaknowledge, Ultimateria, Koavf): can more uses be found? Only one more is needed. 70.172.194.25 05:33, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

I think here is a third one: no pretendamos que las cosas salgan bien ― let’s not pretend that things turn out well.  --Lambiam 09:29, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

I suppose this sense is now cited, unless someone wishes to challenge these quotations. 70.172.194.25 08:56, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

RFV-passed. 70.172.194.25 07:43, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

While this sense has been demonstrated to exist, the discussion continues at Wiktionary:Tea_room/2023/January#pretender_(Spanish). 70.172.194.25 08:12, 9 January 2023 (UTC)