Talk:salsa

This information is misleading and biased

Salsa is not founded in Spain, it was founded in Italy..

here is a wiki site if you so like: your own kind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mola_salsa

It is not completely updated but it does prove some key historical points past your biases. You really should include "American english" since Europeans and Africans would dislike your proposal.

We have enough misleading historical sites full of biases.

Spain did help alter the name in the Americas

Tomatoes came from the Americas

Salsa as a word did not come from spain or the americas originally.

You could easily fact check these things even if someone gives you poor links.. come on 2600:1700:8410:5750:F9F8:2A8A:77CD:77B3 19:51, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Please do educate us on just how brainwashed we all are and how far we have strayed from the light of truth. — SURJECTION ^{/ T / C / L /} 21:09, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

There's no doubt whatsoever where the English word came from: Latin American Spanish (probably Mexican for the sauce and Cuban for the dances/music). In all of the possible donor languages, it simply means sauce, but in English the meanings reflect only the Latin American style of sauces. Historically, the dance/musical senses came from Cuban immigrants in the US, and the culinary sense from Latin American immigrants in the US. Although there have been a lot of Italian immigrants in the US, the sauces they brought with them were quite different, and you're more likely to find Italian-Americans referring to tomato sauces as "gravy" than "salsa". The word spread from the US to other English-speaking countries, and relatively recently- not the other way around.

I wouldn't presume to know the details of where the word came from before Latin America, but I find it highly unlikely that the Spanish-speakers in the New World got it from Italy, since it's part of the basic vocabulary of European Spanish. That leaves only the period between Latin and modern Spanish. I don't see anything special about the developments during that period that would preclude straightforward inheritence from Latin to Spanish, but I don't claim to know everything about that period. Sure, Italy was quite influential in Europe during the Middle Ages and the Renaissance, but it didn't dictate everything in every language around it- otherwise Spanish would be indistinguishable from Italian.

Also, you're conflating things: the Romans who conquered Spain spoke Latin, not Italian. No one disputes that the Roman Empire originated in what is now Italy, but the Romans weren't Italians in the modern sense. Chuck Entz (talk) 23:13, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Spain originally used frescura and other words for sauce during ancient times. It is really simple to find this information on the web.

You mean the American word sure, but this is not the full history nor is it the English history. There is EVERY doubt because there are historical documents going back before Spain used salsa as the name for sauce, that Italy did. I actually look into history. Modern shmodern, Spain is not Spain in the modern sense then. ANYWAY salsa was Italy's way of saying salsus as slang.

No one is trying to say that Spain and Latin America did not popularize things. I think it's important to discuss where modern salsa came from (tomatoes from Native Americans) and of course the dance. But as far as etymology goes, saying it is originally a Spanish word in totality is misleading, and really for no good reason.

First, no one is talking about Italian-Americans, we're talking about the history of etymology and your words misleading people. Second, saying Italian-Americans aren't going to respect their culture is culturist at the least, and that is NOT okay.

It was mentioned in my writing that Spain helped evolve the word in the Americas

Spanish was not that indistinguishable, it altered its language from Latin, from Italy.. and orginally chose frescura, so if you want to say Italy used salsa and Spain used frescura sure. Italian today was the language of poorer Romans, originally evolved from the Etruscans, and Latin is from Etruscans and Greeks.

People in Spain migrated from Greece and Africa, similar to Southern Italy. All really easy to look up. The word Salsa is not borrowed from Spain, the use of salsa in America today is. 2600:1700:8410:5750:B0F8:F21A:4109:9C35 14:30, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

All that, and not a single source cited. Nicodene (talk) 09:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)